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Friday, 3 April 2026

Bad vibes

In my last post I briefly mentioned that the government, and Rachel Reeves in particular, have begun to speak increasingly openly about the damage Brexit is continuing to do to the British economy. This, I said, was striking because the higher the costs are admitted to be, the more they mandate a stronger response than that of the reset. The converse also applies, of course. Such admissions, if unaccompanied by any stronger response, serve to underline the inadequacy of the reset.

This is the hook upon which the government’s approach to Brexit is currently caught, and what underlies it is the continuing failure of the British polity as a whole to be honest about Brexit and much else besides. That, and the reasons for it, have been amply illustrated over the last fortnight.

A “Brexit row”?

During that period, it has been reported (£) that the government is preparing legislation to enable the UK to align with all of the EU regulations needed to enact the long-trailed, though still not finalized, UK-EU Sanitary and Phytosanitary (SPS) or ‘veterinary’ agreement. Moreover, this legislation is expected to contain provision to enable similar moves in other sectors in the future, subject only to statutory instruments meaning, in effect, Ministerial decree.

The idea behind the latter provision, apparently, is that it could pave the way for ‘sector-by-sector’ deals with the EU. In the report of these plans, it is also suggested that at least some within the Labour Party “are hoping that the bill will provoke a Brexit row with the Conservatives and Reform UK, reminding voters that their opponents supported Leave in the EU referendum”.

In just this one small news item there is quite a lot to unpick. One thing to say is that it isn’t surprising, in that it was inherent in what was known about the desire for an SPS deal that there would be such legislation. What is perhaps more interesting is the idea that Labour might now be willing to have “a Brexit row” with Conservatives and Reform, something they have fought shy of in the past.

Evidently, this is a continuation of the shift to greater openness about the damage of Brexit. The political reasons for that shift are fairly obvious and have recently been set out in detail by the polling expert Professor Sir John Curtice: in brief, Labour’s (belated) realization that its approach to Brexit is one of the things causing the collapse of its core vote, as happened in the Gorton & Denton by-election.

As this legislation proceeds, Labour will get their row in that, inevitably, indeed already, the Brexiters are screaming ‘betrayal’. However, what that row will really show is that, even now, the ways in which Brexit is discussed are almost entirely dishonest or deluded, or both.

On the Tory side (and that of the Brexiters more generally) there is the dishonesty of the fact that de facto alignment with almost all EU regulations is unavoidable, except at huge economic cost, which is exactly what the Conservatives came to accept when in office. Nor can they reasonably complain about the lack of democratic oversight associated with the use of statutory instruments, since it was they who made such extensive use of so-called ‘Henry VIII’ powers throughout the Brexit process. Indeed, it would be reasonable to say that one of the many failed promises of Brexit was that it would return decision-making to parliament.

On the Labour side, there is the dishonesty, shared at various times by various Conservative Brexiters, that whole swathes of the British economy could de facto remain ‘within’ the single market on a sector-by-sector basis. This is effectively a reprise of the “ambitious managed divergence” model floated by Theresa May’s government in February 2018 (and discussed on this blog at that time) although it has gone under different names at different times.

If, as is reported, Keir Starmer believes that the reset process so far has shown that EU objections to ‘cherry-picking’ have disappeared, then that is a profound misreading. For reasons I discussed last year, things like a possible deal on SPS (or on the internal electricity market or Erasmus+) should not be regarded as cherry-picking. I meant that as a rebuke to those who mistakenly use that term to dismiss as doomed any and every attempt to supplement the existing Trade and Cooperation Agreement (TCA). But it would be equally mistaken if Starmer believes that the EU’s willingness to make some adjustments, when they are in its interests, means that any and every attempt to supplement the TCA is viable.

Brexit pragmatism?

Perhaps the most striking dishonesty is what underpins Labour’s approach, namely the claim, articulated most explicitly by Europe Minister Nick Thomas-Symonds (£), that what the government is delivering with the reset is “what a proper Brexit looks like”. By this he means that the UK is making “sovereign’ choices” guided by “ruthless pragmatism”. In its way, this is a clever debating society argument, in that it takes the Brexiters’ core demand, that what matters is not this-or-that regulation or law but that regulations and laws are decided by the UK, and uses it against them. This is actually exactly the same structure of argument that ‘liberal Brexiters’ use when they say that what Brexit means for immigration is not necessarily to reduce it but to set it at a level determined by a sovereign parliament.

However, the Thomas-Symonds line is self-defeating as a defence of Labour’s reset policy, precisely because that policy is so inadequate a response to what his government now admits to be the costs of Brexit. For example, to be more specific, on ‘ruthlessly pragmatic’ grounds it is impossible to defend the value of the UK having an independent trade policy.

That has been illustrated in two ways in the last fortnight by the announcement of the EU-Australia Free Trade Agreement. On the one hand, that agreement shows that, as a collective, the EU was able to get a better deal, especially for its farmers, than the UK got in its own deal with Australia. On the other hand, and given also the recent EU-India deal, it means that the only countries with which Brexit Britain currently has trade agreements that it would not have as an EU member are Malaysia and Brunei (via CPTPP). Meanwhile, were the UK still in the EU it would be part of its trade agreement with Mercosur bloc.

Of course there are legitimate arguments about how important trade agreements really are to the economy, and also about the desirability of their effects on domestic industries, supply-chain resilience and so on. But those are not the government’s arguments. This being so, then it could get more, and better, trade agreements if it successfully pursued a customs union agreement with the EU, which would also improve terms of trade with the EU itself. So, on the basis of ‘ruthless pragmatism’, why not make the ‘sovereign choice’ to seek such an agreement with the EU?

From this follows the more fundamental point, which lies right at the heart of the fallacy of Brexit and which was most strikingly articulated in the very first Brexit White Paper in February 2017. As I discussed at the time, this contained the remarkable sentence: “Whilst Parliament has remained sovereign throughout our membership of the EU, it has not always felt like that.” Thus even as Britain embarked on the process of leaving it did so knowing that the central plank of the leave argument – that the UK had lost its sovereignty – was completely untrue. It was just ‘a feeling’. And the point still holds, so, on the Thomas-Symonds argument for the reset, there is an even stronger argument for seeking to join the EU, as a sovereign choice made on pragmatic grounds.

A path forward?

In short, the more the government now acknowledges the costs of Brexit, and the more overtly it justifies its reset in terms of the pragmatic response of a sovereign nation to those costs, the more it undermines both the philosophical and economic case for Brexit – and yet at the same time describes its position as delivering ‘proper Brexit’. Similarly, although this week Starmer gave his strongest statement yet that the international ‘volatility’ engendered by Trump’s regime, as well as the economic damage of Brexit, justifies an “ambitious” partnership with the EU, doing so only serves to highlight the constraints he has placed on those ambitions.

It presumably goes without saying that, going back to the electoral politics, this means that if it is true that the Labour Party is now willing to have a “row” about the false promises of Brexit it is unlikely to reap much, if any, reward from anti-Brexit voters. For it remains wedded to a policy which is not just lily-livered but self-contradictory

That doesn’t mean that it is realistic for Labour to adopt a ‘join’ (or ‘rejoin’) position, let alone likely that it will do so. But in my view, as I’ve argued before, it should mean adopting the position that seeking to join would be desirable but is not feasible until such time as all the other main parties either accept this or, at least, undertake not to reverse such a process were it begun. This would at least bring some clarity to the “row”, forcing Tory and Reform Brexiters to discuss and defend Brexit, as they nowadays seem unwilling to do.

With that clarity might come some honesty, in the sense of the recognition that Brexit has not had majority support for a very long time but also by the recognition that, for so long as there is a distinct possibility that an incoming government would backtrack on it, any process towards joining is impossible (most obviously for the EU). That in turn could be part of a more general recognition, which has been largely absent throughout the Brexit process, that the future of UK-EU relations is not just about what Britain wants but what the EU and its member states want.

Taking all these things together might be the beginning of a recognition that, in the concluding words of an excellent analysis this week by Kirsty Hughes on her ScotEU Substack, “the path back needs strategic, honest, courageous political leaders and renewed, inclusive political debate.”

Deeply embedded dishonesty

However, it is difficult to be optimistic that any of this is about to happen, not least because although dishonesty certainly didn’t begin with Brexit, Brexit has rammed dishonesty so deeply into the body politic that it seems impossible to dislodge. A case in point is another aspect of the fallout from the Gorton & Denton by-election, namely the allegations of ‘family voting’ and voter coercion (with the implication that this had been amongst, specifically, Muslim voters). Last weekend, in what seemed to be an unusually detailed statement, Greater Manchester Police (GMP) announced that their investigation had found “no evidence” that this had occurred.

As I noted in my blog post at the time of the by-election, operators like Nigel Farage trade on the fact that such allegations stick in the public mind whereas even if subsequent investigations show them to be false that is barely noticed. No doubt that is true in this case, not least because whereas the original allegations were given very prominent coverage both in the right-wing press and by broadcasters including the BBC, the GMP’s statement was given far less attention.

But it’s actually worse than that, because the statement was immediately denounced by Farage as an “Establishment whitewash” and “another brushed-under-the-carpet report from the usual suspects”. Matt Goodwin, the defeated Reform candidate, also called it a “whitewash” and insisted that “sectarianism is taking over our democracy”, later strongly implying that he didn’t believe the police’s findings.

I’ve noted many times before that this kind of ‘non-falsifiable’ illogic permeated the entirety of the Brexit process and, by extension, now characterises Brexitism. Thus, in this case, had the police found evidence of family voting then, of course, it would be taken as proof that it had occurred. But, when the police found no evidence, this is taken as proof that it not only occurred but is being ‘covered up’.

What is far worse than that (or, rather, is enabled by it, showing why such illogic is dangerous and not just stupid) is how utterly corrosive and corrupting it is: as with depicting judges as ‘enemies of the people’ and civil servants as ‘saboteurs’, the Brexitists are determined to destroy every last vestige of trust in public institutions. Perhaps worst of all is that, whilst attacking the police investigation assists this agenda, it is hard to escape the conclusion that Farage et al. were secretly hoping that wrongdoing had taken place, yielding what would been a prominently reported and easily exploitable scandal.

The travails of MattGPT

Matt Goodwin has also been in the news for another reason. I referred in my previous post to his new book, Suicide of a Nation: Immigration, Islam, Identity, which has since been published and widely criticised, including in a debate on GB News during which Goodwin became visibly angry, even at one stage rounding on his ideological soul-mate Miriam Cates, who was chairing.

Indeed, tellingly, even those sympathetic to what might charitably be called Goodwin’s thesis were unimpressed, with one describing the book as the work of a “slopagandist”, another entitling his review “suicide of an author’s credibility”, and a third opining that the nickname ‘MattGPT’ would follow the former academic “to his grave”. By comparison, those less sympathetic were rather gentle in simply calling it “trash”. In fairness, it should be said that Goodwin had his defenders, but fairness also requires saying that the most prominent of these was the swivel-eyed Telegraph columnist Allison Pearson (£).

As the ‘MattGPT’ tag implies, much of the criticism has focussed on what appear to be bogus quotations generated by AI-hallucination (£), to which Goodwin’s rather piquant defence in the debate was that he had put the entire text through an AI checker which had exonerated it from the accusation of the book being AI-generated (though that had not, in fact, been the accusation). But perhaps the more damning criticism is of the misinterpretation of statistics about schoolchildren who have English as an Additional Language (EAL). This sounds rather geeky but is actually important, both in itself and because it creates the suspicion that the way Goodwin represented the EAL statistics was not the only way in which data had been manipulated in pursuit of the book’s claims.

In official statistics, “a pupil is recorded to have English as an additional language if they are exposed to a language at home that is known or believed to be other than English. This measure is not a measure of English language proficiency or a good proxy for recent immigration” (p.4 of link). On this basis, between 20% and 25% of pupils have EAL. From this, Goodwin seems to infer that they have either no, or at least impaired or deficient, proficiency in English.

However, according to Steve Strand, Professor of Education at Oxford University, Goodwin “is totally misunderstanding what this measure of EAL is. He keeps talking about English not being young people’s first language, but you could be recorded as EAL and still be totally fluent in English. So he’s not understanding the question that underlies the data.” Strand’s argument is borne out by the fact that, according to Department for Education’s 2020 report, in Spring 2018 some 61% of EAL schoolchildren were either fluent or competent in English [1].

Moreover, Goodwin claims that in schools in areas where EAL rates are high “English is no longer the main language” which carries at least the implication that some other language is, whereas, of course, in such situations English is, so to speak, the lingua franca. In that sense, what the EAL statistics actually show is exactly what would be expected from assimilating immigrants. At home, their children are exposed to and use another language, but in the public sphere, at school (and subsequently, no doubt, at work), they are additionally exposed to and use English. But in Goodwin’s telling it is sinister evidence that a process of ‘cultural erasure’ is underway.

Plastic patriots become counterfeit Christians

That same proposition is evident in the latest seasonal panic that Easter eggs are no longer called by that name, every aspect of which has been discredited by Emma Monks on her Monk Debunks Substack. But whilst, like the similar panics that Christmas has been replaced by ‘Winterval’, this is tediously familiar, it has a new salience because of the notable recent shift in the rhetoric of populist leaders towards stressing Britain’s ‘Christian culture’.

Admittedly, theologians might question the sacramental status of the chocolate Easter Egg, just as they might wonder if Tommy Robinson’s conversion is any more genuine than his name, be puzzled by Reform MP Robert Jenrick’s reference to “Psalm Sunday” (sic), and ponder the sacerdotal credentials of ‘Bishop’ Ceirion Dewar of Ceirion H. Dewar Ministries Ltd. But there is no doubt that there has been a profound change in the language being used by the populist right.

Nor is it just matter of language. It is also evident in what is emerging as Reform’s “family friendly” policy agenda – an agenda set out with great clarity by Lisa Burton in Yorkshire Bylines – with all it implies for abortion, contraception, and reproductive rights generally. One reason for these developments is the influence of US populists on their UK counterparts. It may also be relevant that Paul Marshall, so pivotal to British populists especially through his co-ownership of GB News, moves in those circles and is himself an evangelical Christian with a reportedly “spiritual mission” to fight ‘progressivism’ (which appears actually to mean post-Enlightenment rationality).

There is an obvious connection between these three stories – the discredited allegations of ‘family voting’, Goodwin’s discredited account of EAL statistics, and the discredited stories about the cancellation of Easter: they all circle around the same theme of ‘cultural erasure’ at the hands of Muslims, aided and abetted by the liberal ‘woke’ elite. And it is a message pouring in torrents across social media, and much of the print and broadcast media, every day, in the coverage of hundreds of different stories.

Another recent example is the spate of images of schoolchildren exercising on yoga mats carrying the false claim that they are being forced to participate in Muslim prayers. Yet another is the frenzied reaction to a BBC discussion about whether there are too many ‘dog-friendly’ spaces, representing it as a woke attempt to impose Muslim sensibilities upon the nation (it was actually about people who are scared of dogs). These, and innumerable other examples, are small-scale in themselves but it is that which makes them potent as tessellations of the same basic message.

But there is another connection between all these stories, and it is one which links directly back to Brexit.

Vibe politics

As these various stories have unfolded over the last fortnight, I have been looking at the social media responses not just from the big names of the culture wars but from the rank-and-file posters. What that reveals is not so much that the rebuttals of them are ignored as that they are discounted. That is, it may be accepted that such-and-such a detail is wrong, but, nevertheless, ‘we all know’ that the bigger truth holds good. This is the significance of the cumulative effect of similar stories. It creates a politics of ‘vibes’ just as with Brexit the effect of years of media stories made it “feel” as if we had lost sovereignty.

Of course, vibe politics is nothing new. Think of Blair’s ‘Cool Britannia’. Think, for that matter, of the 1950s Macmillanite message that we “have never had it so good”. What is distinctive about populism is that it trades on ‘feel-bad’ rather than ‘feel-good’ vibes: on grievance, resentment, and fear. That, too, is evident in the stories I have just discussed and is absolutely central to the claims of ‘cultural erasure’.

I haven’t talked about the war in this post, since its deepening spiral only serves to re-enforce points which I’ve previously made. But Nigel Farage has been speaking about the war. Not, needless to say, the war the US has unleashed in the Middle East, about which, after his original Trump-crawl, he has been remarkably coy. No, as usual it was the Second World War or, more particularly, a single moment within it.

Thus, launching Reform’s London local government election campaign in Croydon, under its current and perhaps ill-advised slogan of ‘Reform will fix it’, he spluttered that: “This is, this is, this is 1940 all over again. The very existence of our nation, its culture, its identity is under threat.” It is the same message of a ‘nation in existential peril’ that Goodwin peddles; the same message as that of the ‘family voting’ accusations; the same message as is contained in the stories about Easter eggs, yoga mats, dogs, and all the rest of it.  

Farage is right, though, to say that history is repeating itself. Not in the sense that it is 1940 all over again, but because it is 2015 all over again. Then, too, he was bloviating about 1940 but at that time it was to tell us it was the EU referendum which was “our modern day Battle of Britain”. Once again, Brexit has morphed into Brexitism.

It’s this repetition, this stuckness in the same myths and vibe-based messages, and the fact that, like it or not, they continue to resonate for perhaps a quarter or even a third of the adult population, and to be amplified by a phalanx of media commentors, which makes British politics so irredeemably dishonest, and the possibility of honesty about Brexit, specifically, so elusive.

With that happy thought I leave you to enjoy, to use the term cruelly stolen when the nasty Normans erased our culture and language, Ēostre.

 

Note

[1] The report notes that it is not possible to provide comparable figures for children for whom English is their first/ sole language, but it should not be assumed that all such children are fluent or competent.

23 comments:

  1. Another outstanding analysis of the cult of brexitism. I look forward to these fortnightly Friday posts, and admit that on the intervening Fridays I often check to see if events have forced Prof. Chris to write an extra one. I have a DT subscription provided by a friend and try and read it every day. Many of the pieces are mind-boggling and many (most?) of the comments are completely unhinged. It is difficult to come to terms with the fact that so many of our fellow citizens are either insane or deeply unpleasant. It is equally difficult to see the politicians, commentators and influencers that bear so much responsibility for the state of society as anything other than evil. Maybe a better, less philosophically challenging term would be „bad“.

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    1. Just bear in mind that most people *do not* read the Daily Torygraph, much less comment on it :-)

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  2. Indeed, another piece full of points to ponder and discuss. I'll keep it to two

    Firstly, whilst cult members will always accept without question the teaching of their cult leaders - hence the social media/GBN amplification of ideas outlined above. But for those of us who still look to the "established media" for our news input, the seemingly unquestioning acceptance of Farage's assertions is hugely disturbing. I'm not expecting all commentators to be Remainacs, but I would expect them to at least be able to perceive 'Emperor's New Clothes' arguments.

    Secondly - and to add a novel line of thought - the responsibility of transport revivalist groups for our current plight. Yes, Beeching was a disaster and transport planning of the 60s and 70s was mad - but in no other nation is the technology of the past so lionised. See also the burgeoning classic car rebuild TV shows too.

    This is not a flippant point - to have a 'day out in the past' stokes the argument that "it were all better back then" and the confused nostalgia about what WSC was - and what he certainly wasn't.

    Back in the 60s (I was there!) we looked forward to new worlds, new technologies and the removal of coal-fired grime from our lives. Had you have told us that, 3 generations later, the leading political party was succeeding via policies harking back to 'Cathy Come Home', the audience would have chuckled mightily into their pints of mild.

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  3. Britain's long march or should I say England's long road from being top of the pile to being a middle ranking power will always involve pain. Generally people don't react sensibly to the fact that their world has changed for the worse and they need to adapt accordingly. No, blame takes hold, the EU, immigration, the Government. One, otherwise reasonable, Englishman said to me that "we forgot how to govern ourselves as we allowed the EU to do it for us". There in one sentence encapsulates the brexiteer mindset, blame with a hint of exceptionalism. If only we hadn't joined the EU.... Yes, Brexitism has taken hold, begot from a changing world, begot from an ageing population, begot from poor policy decisions. And it probably has further to go, sadly. Maybe England will have to experience a Reform government and a real tilt to the right for the electorate to finally come through the pain and bury Brexitism once and for all. Then modernise and start the resurgence, EU membership, PR, reduced monarchy, reform of the House of Lords, federalism, cut the nonsense of the 'special relationship' with the US etc. But we have a bit to go yet. In the meantime, Chris, we will continue to enjoy your blogs charting every twist and turn.

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    1. Unfortunately the EU countries will have to be convinced through more than one election cycle that the UK public have buried Brexit int the grave of Economic and Social self-harm. However the EU may be a different EU by then, what will Russia do? Will Trump have destroyed the NATO alliance (if not the US) How long has Starmer got? Patience is a waiting game but events move fast these days.

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  4. Where do Welsh and Gaelic speaking children fit in this EAL hoohah?

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    1. Oh they are included. Farage for instance thinks speaking Welsh is "foreign" and shouldn't be allowed. I hope the Welsh take that fully into account in the upcoming Senned elections and hand Reform their collective behinds on a plate.

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    2. It’s “not a good proxy for recent immigration” !!!

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  5. To these US ears the description of the Reform propaganda campaign is very, very familiar. Bold assertions guarantee coverage and propagation, while corrections appear at the bottom of page 10 and fade away. Religious anxiety is another cultural button to push. The goal is to promote feelings and supress thought, like panting into a do'g's face to get them agitated and barking. Works a treat on a substantial part of the population.

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    1. Indeed. Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt (FUD) are key weapons for the authotitarian Right.

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  6. Càisg mhath dhut, as EAL kids in Scotland would say.

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  7. The panic by the Brexitists about EAL is very misguided because it assumes a one-way traffic of cultural influence from immigrants into British society. The reality of course is that the influences flow both ways, and over time it is far more likely that the immigrant's culture will become 'Britified' rather than that British culture will become 'Immigrantified'. Apart from other considerations, just sheer numbers will ensure this.
    As a case in point, I am an immigrant who came with my family to the UK 35 years ago. Initially we kept speaking our mother tongue at home, but as our three children progressed through the British school system they became more and more fluent in English until it basically replaced their original mother tongue. That, in turn, caused my wife and I to speak more and more English at home until after some years English became our family's default language. Eventually our mother tongue wasn't even spoken anymore by me or my wife even when we were alone. Whilst I still have a pronounced foreign accent my children are by now only distinguishable from native Brits because of their names. In all other aspects they are fully British. I suspect we are far from the only immigrant family that has developed in this way.

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    1. In Wales in the 1970's in my school class, there were the children of former Italian (and some German) prisoners of war who had decided to stay here. Despite trips back to their ancestral homes, they did not use Italian, but were English (and Welsh) fluent speakers.

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    2. Thanks, anonymous (3/4/26: 21.29). This is a really good example of what I was getting at when I wrote "In that sense, what the EAL statistics actually show is exactly what would be expected from assimilating immigrants."

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  8. Jenrick's comment about Psalm Sunday show him to be stupid with a capital P.

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    1. A situation which does not seem to be unusual among Eton graduates of his generation. Many of them seem to think that they are smarter than they really are. David Cameron; Boris Johnson; Kwasi Kwarteng, all three of them have caused huge damage to this country, and especially to the Conservative Party over the past decade.

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  9. "Whilst Parliament has remained sovereign throughout our membership of the EU, it has not always felt like that.” Gah, a truly gruesome reminder of a pitiful argument for Brexit.

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  10. Fundamentally, Labour’s strategy to manage the impact of Brexit is due to a deep, uncomfortable fear of the emotional, divisive debate around it permanently changing the loyalties of huge numbers of their voters. And, in particular, the profoundly dangerous consequences of this in a First-Past-The-Post election system, where large numbers of seats can easily be lost - potentially for good - if Labour lose huge numbers of their voters in the aftermath of an emotional referendum debate.

    Eleven years ago, such a scenario unfolded for Labour in Scotland. Previously the dominant political party in Scottish politics, in 2014 a huge chunk of their traditional core voters voted Yes to Scottish independence in that referendum. With their sense of national identity deeply changed by the debate, afterward, they saw no reason to keep supporting the pro-UK Labour Party and switched to the pro-independence SNP instead. This led to a devastating defeat for Labour in the 2015 general election, as they lost 40 out of their previous 41 seats, and were reduced to an irrelevance in Scottish politics by a now dominant SNP. Despite regaining many of those Westminster seats in 2024, in what was mainly a ‘punish the Tories’ election, that situation has not changed for Labour since and they are showing no signs of a permanent recovery in Scottish politics.

    It is inconceivable, to me anyway as someone who watched that unfold in Scotland over the past eleven years, that Labour have not learnt profound lessons about just how dangerous referendum debates can be to their election chances. A similar scenario in England and Wales over Brexit could permanently destroy Labour, and this is why they chose their Brexit red lines in their 2024 manifesto.

    However, the biggest problem with the Brexit debate is that it is not really about the EU, but about what kind of country that the UK is in the 21st century. Formerly a world superpower, it has been declining from that position of global influence since at least the aftermath of World War One, and especially after World War Two when most of the British colonies achieved their independence. But, it is still struggling to process that decline on a psychological and emotional level, and this is why the Brexit debate touches such a nerve. It is difficult to state that the UK is no longer powerful on its own without clearly implying that it is weak, and that directly contradicts the heavily romanticised view which many people here have about its place in the world. This is especially the case with many of the over-65’s generation, who grew-up in the shadow of their parents’ experience of World War Two and who find it difficult, even impossible, to question the UK’s place in the world due to the wartime victory seeming to confirm that it is a very powerful nation.

    Factor this alongside the already mentioned dangers of referendum debates clashing with First-Past-The-Post, and their miserable experience in Scotland after 2014, and Labour’s awkward handling of the impact of Brexit is not hard to understand.

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    1. If you think Great Britian has a problem dealing with being a declining empire, just you watch the United States over the next 10-20 years. The US is the only country that hasn't realized that the old system is over.

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    2. The challenge for Labour in Scotland is that the vast majority of progressive voters support independence. If Scottish Labour wins every single progressive, pro-union vote in the country then they come third. Frankly, I don't think there is a successful strategy.

      In the UK as a whole, the vast majority of progressive voters want to be in the EU. Then add in people like me who are more naturally on the right but can't vote Conservative while the party is deranged. That gives you enough votes for a multi-decade political dominance. So the strategy really couldn't be simpler.

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    3. It's a long argument, so will just do the highlights, but, as a 70-something I take askance at the characterisation of us oldies as a regiment of Colonel Blimps. Born when rationing was still in place, childhood seeing the bomb craters slowly being filled in and benefitting from the Welfare State, many saw it as a marvel that we were now in partnership with nations we'd been intermittently at war with for a millennium. Read the DM's front page on our day of entry to see that positive sentiment writ large.
      Perhaps it was the generation behind us, who saw the Falklands conflict as the epitome of 'plucky Britain' and did not have direct experience of WW2 yet seem most determined to evoke its fantasy format, that are to blame for the Euro-dismissal you rightly chide.

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  11. I read the linked blog by Kirsty Hughes. I've always thought that membership would be the biggest single economic benefit of EU membership.

    The government would save £60 billion a year in debt interest, which would be enough for 25% increase on the NHS or massive tax cuts, or both.

    Mortgage and credit card interest would go down by about half (imagine that on the side of a bus!), doing more for the cost of living crisis than anything in history.

    The cost of business investment is mainly interest, which would suddenly half, so it would be reasonable to assume the UK would move from the bottom of the G7 in investment to a higher position.

    And I could go on, but hopefully that's enough to make an economic case.

    What is really interesting is how the Overton Window of British politics is such that even pro-EU bloggers like Hughes says that the UK would need a "costly" deal to avoid being in the Euro.

    For me, one of the tests for whether the UK is ready to return will be when the rejoin side makes the case for the Euro.

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    1. I managed to miss the phrase "Euro membership" from the start of my comment, which it makes it very difficult to understand!

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