The recently announced UK-US ‘trade deal’ is one, relatively minor, aspect of these developments. It, too, is evidence of Trump’s backtracking, and it could be read as part of an attempt by him to increase divisions between the UK and the EU. At all events, along with the UK-India deal, it forms the background to next week’s UK-EU Summit. The outcome of that may, whether in what it does or what it does not achieve, mark a new phase in the Brexit saga, but there is little sign of Britain dealing with 'Brexitism'.
The UK-US ‘trade deal’
As always with anything Brexit-related, it’s a big task just to strip away the lies, half-truths and misunderstandings, and that becomes even more difficult when Donald Trump is involved. When the deal was announced, both Trump and Keir Starmer talked as if it was a historic breakthrough, and suggested that it was the long-touted post-Brexit Free Trade Agreement (FTA). It was nothing of the sort, and nor was it ever going to be. As I explained in a post last November, when Trump’s tariffs had not been announced but were in prospect, if it was going to be anything it would be an ‘exemption deal’, meaning that it would exempt the UK from some, if not all, of Trump’s new tariffs.
The difference is significant, not least because it means that the best it could achieve would be a return to the status quo ante. That is, it might avoid Trump’s new tariffs but not improve the terms of trade that had already existed. To an extent, at least, that is what has happened. In headline terms, the new blanket 10% ‘reciprocal tariff’ remains on all goods, but the 25% tariff on cars has been removed up to a quota of 100,000 vehicles sold per year (but these will still be liable to the 10% tariff). The 25% tariff on steel and aluminium has also been scrapped, but it seems there will also be some quota limit on that (the details are not clear). In return, the UK has agreed to scrap tariffs on an increased quota of US beef (with some reciprocal increase in access to the US beef market), and to scrap tariffs on US ethanol within a high quota.
So, a very limited deal. But, as quickly emerged when the text was published, it is not even a deal, in the sense that it is (explicitly) not a legally binding agreement and that many details are still to be agreed, most glaringly, perhaps, in relation to pharmaceuticals trade. As Alison Morrow of CNN Business put it, it is not so much as deal as “a concept of a deal”. That isn’t to say that none of it will come into effect, because there is evidently some political commitment to it. So at least some of it very probably will. But given Trump’s proven unreliability to stick to the terms even of legally binding deals, it is even harder to be confident that he will honour, or even continue to recognize, any political commitments.
That it happened at all reflects the weakness and neediness of both sides. Unlike the EU or China, the UK is simply not strong enough to take on the US in a trade war. The UK also has a pressing political and economic need to shield its car and steel industries from Trump’s tariffs. But the US is weak too. Trump’s tariff policy has backfired on him very badly, and, as I suggested recently, that has made him keen to start ‘doing deals’ with his victims so as to give the impression that this had been his strategy all along, and to reverse some of the damage he has inflicted on himself and the US economy. Thus, as many commentators noted once it had been announced, Trump needed a deal, and quickly.
The timing may also have reflected a desire to make an announcement on VE Day so as to get in some sanctimonious references to the wartime alliance and the ‘special relationship’ or at least, since Trump’s ego is considerably greater than his grasp of detail, to ‘historic’ events. Timing aside, the terms of this trade non-deal also reflected the neediness of both parties. The UK has not had to make any of the concessions that had been speculated about on tech firm regulation and taxation, or on food standards (there will be cheaper US beef, but it will not be ‘hormone-treated’), a point I’ll come back to. The UK also resisted demands to reduce pork tariffs. To that extent, the reported jubilation in the Starmer government is understandable. The UK gave surprisingly little for what, at least in political terms, was quite helpful to the government.
Nevertheless, to repeat, the overall effect is to leave the UK worse off than it was before Trump launched his tariff offensive. Starmer shouldn’t be blamed for that, as it’s highly unlikely any other outcome could have been agreed on remotely viable terms, and what was achieved is worthwhile for the car and steel industries, but in a normal world it wouldn’t be seen as a triumph. There is also a more complex issue, identified by the UK Trade Policy Observatory’s (UCTPO) analysis of the deal. Referring to an aspect which I have not mentioned so far, namely what the agreement says about supply chain security, UKTPO warn that, depending on exactly what it comes to mean in practice, it may well push the UK towards provisions which will be unpopular with China, with retaliation possible. It’s a specific illustration of another point I made in an earlier post, about how post-Brexit Britain is obliged to duck and dive between not just the US and the EU but, also, China.
Brexit dimensions
What of Brexit more generally in all this? It’s true by definition that the UK could not have agreed such a deal had it still been a member of the EU, or even if simply in a customs union with the EU. Whether it proves ‘better’ than whatever the EU agrees or doesn’t agree with the US remains to be seen. What is certainly striking is that it has wrong-footed the Brexiters (as shown, rather deliciously, by a disagreement between the Tice-Oakeshott Reform power couple). Some, at least initially, hailed it, in the way Trump did, as the post-Brexit trade deal he had always promised, although they quickly latched on to the implicit criticism of the Tories contained in that, as well as the explicit lie it entailed.
Very soon, Kemi Badenoch was complaining that the deal had “shafted” the UK (£), bemoaning that it was, indeed, not a comprehensive FTA. In short, we had the unedifying spectacle of Labour at least implying that it had delivered the key trade promise of the Brexiters, and Conservative Brexiters criticizing the government for not delivering what is simply not available for agreement with Trump, any more than it was with Biden, but pretending otherwise. It was yet another small illustration of the fundamental dishonesty Brexit has brought to British politics.
Beyond domestic politics, there’s a deeper issue in play with this deal. Again, I’ve gestured towards it in a previous post (I’m sorry to keep doing this self-referencing, but the various discussions obviously connect together, and linking to where points were previously made means I don’t have to repeat explanations or background). That issue is what all this means for ‘WTO rules’.
It’s not just that the Brexiters used to sloganize ‘Let’s Go WTO’ as a supposed alternative to any trade deal at all with the EU, or that ‘regaining our seat at the WTO’ was supposed to be some great prize, it is that their whole economic vision of post-Brexit Britain was predicated on the existence of a global trade order. Trump is now ripping that up, and both Alan Beattie, the Financial Times’ trade expert (£), and the UKTPO analysis suggest that the UK-US deal, specifically, flouts WTO principles and undermines the multi-lateral trading system.
The UK-India deal
All this came in the wake of the announcement of a UK-India trade deal. The two stories are, as BBC Economics Editor Faisal Islam argues, very likely to be related. That is, the general mayhem Trump is causing to international trade may have provided an incentive to complete what has hitherto been regarded as an “elusive” deal. However, the two deals are very different. For the UK-India deal is a trade deal, both in the sense of being a genuine FTA and of being (or at least being the basis of) a legally binding agreement. Moreover, it sits within, and does not undermine, the WTO framework. Indeed, the Centre for Inclusive Trade Policy suggests that “may be one of the biggest achievements of this agreement”.
Although the full details have yet to be published, reports based on the government’s summary of what has been agreed suggest there will be a fairly comprehensive removal of tariffs, with whisky and cars two of the UK sectors most likely to benefit, and garments and footwear amongst the benefitting Indian sectors. There’s less sign of liberalization of services trade, which some, especially in the financial services sector, had hoped for, although that is not surprising (lack of services coverage is one of the reasons why FTAs are so different to the EU single market). However, of potential importance to some UK firms, and potential controversy in India, UK access to the public procurement market should increase.
It was always anticipated that the block to this FTA would be an Indian requirement for a relaxation of UK immigration policy – something even less likely to be agreed by the present government, which is, if possible, even more obsessed with reducing immigration at whatever the economic cost than its Tory predecessors, something I will return to. That turned out not to be the case (although perhaps, had it been agreed, it might have enabled a deeper deal), and the only tangentially immigration-related issue was an agreement to exempt Indian workers on short-term visas from National Insurance Contributions (NICs).
Once again Brexiters were wrong-footed. This was a deal they had long-advocated as a Brexit prize, and Jacob Rees-Mogg greeted it as “exactly what Brexit promised”. But Kemi Badenoch latched onto the NIC provision (as, more unexpectedly, did the LibDems), either unaware of or ignoring the fact that such arrangements (which are reciprocal for UK workers) have been agreed with numerous countries in the past. Nigel Farage also weighed in, denouncing the deal as “truly appalling”, and as selling out British workers and farmers.
All this was, as with the US deal, pure opportunism (one senior Indian official was even quoted as saying that Badenoch had agreed the NIC provision in principle when she was Trade Secretary). There’s no doubt whatsoever that the Tories would have done the same deal. But the Brexiter reactions, especially Farage’s, also point to one of the biggest of the many contradictions which have run throughout the entire Brexit project, that between nativist protectionism and globalist free trade. Hence the idiotic situation that Brexiters can now regard the UK-India deal as both a vindication and a betrayal of Brexit.
A Brexit benefit?
To the extent that the deal is being claimed as a ‘Brexit benefit’, the usual arguments apply. Yes, it could only be made because the UK has left the EU. But according to official calculations its economic value, an estimated 0.1% increase to GDP after 15 years, whilst slightly greater than the FTAs with Australia (0.08%) and New Zealand (0.03%), is nugatory compared with the costs of Brexit (minus 4%). Given that Brexit has happened, there’s a case for doing such deals, but the idea that they in any way justify Brexit is absurd. In any case, it is reported in the Indian media that the ongoing EU-India trade negotiations are likely to be accelerated, again precisely because of the impetus injected by Trump’s trade mayhem.
Of course, whenever the economic deficiencies of their project are pointed out to Brexiters, they invariably fall back on some version of their ideas about sovereignty and democracy. In relation to trade deals, they used to make much of the idea that, with Brexit, the people’s representatives in parliament would ‘regain control’ over ratification of FTAs. That was always based on a false premise, because as an EU member the UK could have held parliamentary votes on FTAs made by the EU, potentially even blocking them, but it waived that right. As for the present situation, whilst it might fairly be said that the UK-US deal is so flimsy and indefinite it hardly warrants a vote, that is not true of the UK-India deal. Yet the government has stated that, in line with post-Brexit legislation and practice, there will be no vote. So that’s another supposed ‘Brexit benefit’ that has quietly been discredited.
Where does all this leave the UK-EU reset?
The short answer to that is that it leaves it exactly where it was before, except that we are now only a couple of days away from the EU Summit at which (perhaps) the tangible details of what the ‘reset’ is going to mean will be unveiled [1]. As such, most of what I wrote in my previous post still applies, but it is worth spelling out one particularly important issue. The fact that the UK-US deal explicitly affirmed that US products sold in the UK must meet UK SPS standards (i.e. no hormone-treated beef, chlorinated chicken etc.) means that there is no (new) obstacle to a UK-EU SPS agreement. This is the issue many commentators have identified as the key indication of whether the UK is going to ‘choose’ between aligning with the US or the EU. It seems to have chosen the EU (which is consistent with what the latest UKICE report shows to be the general direction of regulatory policy).
That should not be a surprise to readers of this blog, as I’ve repeatedly argued (in the face of some sceptical responses) that it was highly unlikely that the government would agree anything with the US, or anyone else, to prevent what has always been Labour’s central, most repeatedly stated, reset ambition. It obviously remains to be seen if there will be a UK-EU SPS agreement, but the possibility remains open. I don’t think that quite amounts to the UK-US deal being a “triumph for remainers”, as Adam Bienkov argues, but it does endorse their core economic proposition of the centrality of geography to trade. Certainly the deal doesn’t mean that (taken in conjunction with the India deal) “the Rejoiner dream [has] finally died”, as pro-Brexit commentator Ambrose Pritchard-Evans claims.
Assuming there will now be a UK-EU SPS deal (in principle, if not immediately in detail), the important question is what else, if anything, gets announced next week. Over and above the widely expected defence and security pact, there are several possibilities, as outlined in my previous post, and there’s not much point in reviewing the various rumours and speculations there have been since. We’ll know soon enough.
What resetting means
That previous post attracted a certain amount of negative comment on social media. In particular, one poster on Bluesky [2] repeatedly and aggressively criticized me for having said that Labour’s red lines are fixed which, they insisted, meant I was indulging in British ‘exceptionalism’ whereby the EU was expected to make all the compromises and to find the solutions for the problems Brexit has caused the UK. It was a slightly bizarre accusation given the number of times over the last nine years I have criticized such a position, which has indeed often been in evidence. More importantly, it was simply ignorant. It is a fact that the Labour red lines have not changed, and a fact that they necessarily put a massive restriction on what can be agreed by the EU. But that certainly does not mean that there is no space for agreeing anything beyond what was negotiated by Boris Johnson and David Frost (a view which, ironically, mirrors Frost’s own criticisms of the reset).
That is for two reasons. One is that the UK under Labour does seem to have dropped one of the Johnson-Frost (and May) red lines of doctrinaire objection to any role for the ECJ and European Law. Admittedly this has never been formally stated, but, for years now, it has been notably absent from Labour’s list of red lines. If that is indeed so, it potentially opens up new areas for agreement that had been closed down by the UK, including but not limited to an SPS agreement, without entailing any concession from the EU on the need for ECJ jurisdiction. The other is that, even within its red lines, the Johnson-Frost deal was in many respects minimalistic, because of their hang-up about sovereignty in a more diffuse sense (i.e. beyond even what those red lines of necessity betokened). This is one reason why the quite expansive possibilities – possibilities envisaged by the EU quite as much as the UK – in the (non-binding) Political Declaration, which accompanied the 2019 Withdrawal Agreement, were never brought to fruition. There is now at least the potential to revisit them.
Nor, to address another repeated, and related, criticism made of that post, does doing so automatically amount to UK attempts at ‘cherry-picking’ or ‘cakeism’. Those concepts, whilst certainly highly relevant at some stages of the Brexit process (and, again, I've exhaustively catalogued and criticized this) have been rendered largely redundant since the UK became a third country to the EU. There are no cherries to try to pick, because the UK has foregone the pie. Now, the only issue is whether both the UK and the EU see it as being in their own interests to make agreements over cooperation in specific areas or participation in specific programmes. Indeed, that began to happen under the Sunak government, with the UK-Frontex deal on tackling irregular migration and the admission of the UK to the Horizon Europe and Copernicus programmes.
Trust in Starmer’s Britain?
If cherry-picking is no longer of much, if any, relevance to understanding Brexit events, new considerations have emerged. One is whether, contrary to what I have said, the UK-US deal, whilst not in its provisions affecting what the EU and UK might agree, could do so by antagonizing EU leaders. As I said above, that could well have been part of Trump’s intentions in making the deal and, even if not, the agreement hardly showed the UK standing in solidarity with other targets of Trump’s aggression. Again, I discussed this in a recent post, pondering that, if such a deal happened, it might simply be regarded by other countries as understandable realpolitik. That remains an open question, but the positive reaction to the agreement from Germany’s new Chancellor Friederich Merz might at least suggest that this is possible.
The other issue is that of domestic politics. Here, Simon Nixon makes the interesting argument that the US and India deals have provided Starmer with political cover for a maximal reset, by presenting himself as having just delivered on the Brexiters’ key trade promises. That could be so, but what is quite clear is that the Brexiters’ attack on the reset is continuing to gather force, and Badenoch has already threatened (£) to reverse anything agreed that “betrays Brexit”. Such threats are now the most potent weapon in the Brexiters’ arsenal, and they (rather than previous concerns about cherry-picking) are the most obvious disincentive to the EU to agree to a substantive reset.
Equally, the sight of Keir Starmer not just rehashing Brexiter nonsense about trade deals but now invoking their ‘taking back control’ slogan when launching this week’s morally reprehensible, politically counter-productive, and economically illiterate anti-immigration crusade is hardly likely to inspire confidence and trust from the EU. It hardly matters whether Starmer really believes what he said, or whether it is dishonesty resulting from fear of the Reform Party. Either way, quite as much as Badenoch and Farage, he is showing that ‘Brexitism’ is entrenched and that he has no intention of trying to challenge it.
I’ve referred several times to my recent posts on this blog, including the last one, and sometimes mentioned occasions where my expectations have proved accurate, or defended what I’ve written against criticisms. However I will freely admit that one of the main arguments of the last post, to the effect that Starmer had the opportunity to challenge Farage head on, and ‘reset’ domestic politics away from Brexitism, has already been shown to be hopelessly naive. It is now clear that isn’t going to happen. Next week there should be a clearer sense of whether Labour’s approach to the reset with the EU is going to be another missed opportunity to start to deal with the damage of Brexit.
Notes
[1] It is always worth recalling that, any reset aside, the UK has still not implemented all of the provisions of the original Withdrawal Agreement, nor some parts of the Windsor Framework. Moreover, there is still no deal on Gibraltar, although reports this week (£) suggested (not for the first time) that one is imminent. Indeed, the resolution of outstanding issues, perhaps especially Gibraltar, may well be part of the conditions for a reset of any significance.
[2] In line with my normal practice of not ‘punching down’ by linking to individual social media accounts, except when they are those of public figures, I will not identify the poster in question. In any case, some others were almost equally unpleasant.
That previous post attracted a certain amount of negative comment on social media. In particular, one poster on Bluesky [2] repeatedly and aggressively criticized me for having said that Labour’s red lines are fixed which, they insisted, meant I was indulging in British ‘exceptionalism’ whereby the EU was expected to make all the compromises and to find the solutions for the problems Brexit has caused the UK. It was a slightly bizarre accusation given the number of times over the last nine years I have criticized such a position, which has indeed often been in evidence. More importantly, it was simply ignorant. It is a fact that the Labour red lines have not changed, and a fact that they necessarily put a massive restriction on what can be agreed by the EU. But that certainly does not mean that there is no space for agreeing anything beyond what was negotiated by Boris Johnson and David Frost (a view which, ironically, mirrors Frost’s own criticisms of the reset).
That is for two reasons. One is that the UK under Labour does seem to have dropped one of the Johnson-Frost (and May) red lines of doctrinaire objection to any role for the ECJ and European Law. Admittedly this has never been formally stated, but, for years now, it has been notably absent from Labour’s list of red lines. If that is indeed so, it potentially opens up new areas for agreement that had been closed down by the UK, including but not limited to an SPS agreement, without entailing any concession from the EU on the need for ECJ jurisdiction. The other is that, even within its red lines, the Johnson-Frost deal was in many respects minimalistic, because of their hang-up about sovereignty in a more diffuse sense (i.e. beyond even what those red lines of necessity betokened). This is one reason why the quite expansive possibilities – possibilities envisaged by the EU quite as much as the UK – in the (non-binding) Political Declaration, which accompanied the 2019 Withdrawal Agreement, were never brought to fruition. There is now at least the potential to revisit them.
Nor, to address another repeated, and related, criticism made of that post, does doing so automatically amount to UK attempts at ‘cherry-picking’ or ‘cakeism’. Those concepts, whilst certainly highly relevant at some stages of the Brexit process (and, again, I've exhaustively catalogued and criticized this) have been rendered largely redundant since the UK became a third country to the EU. There are no cherries to try to pick, because the UK has foregone the pie. Now, the only issue is whether both the UK and the EU see it as being in their own interests to make agreements over cooperation in specific areas or participation in specific programmes. Indeed, that began to happen under the Sunak government, with the UK-Frontex deal on tackling irregular migration and the admission of the UK to the Horizon Europe and Copernicus programmes.
Trust in Starmer’s Britain?
If cherry-picking is no longer of much, if any, relevance to understanding Brexit events, new considerations have emerged. One is whether, contrary to what I have said, the UK-US deal, whilst not in its provisions affecting what the EU and UK might agree, could do so by antagonizing EU leaders. As I said above, that could well have been part of Trump’s intentions in making the deal and, even if not, the agreement hardly showed the UK standing in solidarity with other targets of Trump’s aggression. Again, I discussed this in a recent post, pondering that, if such a deal happened, it might simply be regarded by other countries as understandable realpolitik. That remains an open question, but the positive reaction to the agreement from Germany’s new Chancellor Friederich Merz might at least suggest that this is possible.
The other issue is that of domestic politics. Here, Simon Nixon makes the interesting argument that the US and India deals have provided Starmer with political cover for a maximal reset, by presenting himself as having just delivered on the Brexiters’ key trade promises. That could be so, but what is quite clear is that the Brexiters’ attack on the reset is continuing to gather force, and Badenoch has already threatened (£) to reverse anything agreed that “betrays Brexit”. Such threats are now the most potent weapon in the Brexiters’ arsenal, and they (rather than previous concerns about cherry-picking) are the most obvious disincentive to the EU to agree to a substantive reset.
Equally, the sight of Keir Starmer not just rehashing Brexiter nonsense about trade deals but now invoking their ‘taking back control’ slogan when launching this week’s morally reprehensible, politically counter-productive, and economically illiterate anti-immigration crusade is hardly likely to inspire confidence and trust from the EU. It hardly matters whether Starmer really believes what he said, or whether it is dishonesty resulting from fear of the Reform Party. Either way, quite as much as Badenoch and Farage, he is showing that ‘Brexitism’ is entrenched and that he has no intention of trying to challenge it.
I’ve referred several times to my recent posts on this blog, including the last one, and sometimes mentioned occasions where my expectations have proved accurate, or defended what I’ve written against criticisms. However I will freely admit that one of the main arguments of the last post, to the effect that Starmer had the opportunity to challenge Farage head on, and ‘reset’ domestic politics away from Brexitism, has already been shown to be hopelessly naive. It is now clear that isn’t going to happen. Next week there should be a clearer sense of whether Labour’s approach to the reset with the EU is going to be another missed opportunity to start to deal with the damage of Brexit.
Notes
[1] It is always worth recalling that, any reset aside, the UK has still not implemented all of the provisions of the original Withdrawal Agreement, nor some parts of the Windsor Framework. Moreover, there is still no deal on Gibraltar, although reports this week (£) suggested (not for the first time) that one is imminent. Indeed, the resolution of outstanding issues, perhaps especially Gibraltar, may well be part of the conditions for a reset of any significance.
[2] In line with my normal practice of not ‘punching down’ by linking to individual social media accounts, except when they are those of public figures, I will not identify the poster in question. In any case, some others were almost equally unpleasant.
One point in the US-UK "tariff reduction" deal I haven't seen covered in any UK media is the following.
ReplyDeleteIt was reported on by CNN and something similar was mentioned by Henning on X
"The UK will also join the US in imposing 25% tariffs on foreign steel and aluminium , creating a joint tariff agreement that will create a free trade zone for those metals between the two countries."
"Trump announces a ‘major trade deal’ with the UK Thursday" By David Goldman, Phil Mattingly and Kaitlan Collins, CNN, 8 minute read, Updated 11:35 AM EDT, Thu May 8, 2025
So the UK is joining the US in tariff policy in this one policy area. Are you sure this won't affect the UK-EU relationship, as it would imply UK tariffs on imports of EU steel and Aluminium.
Thanks, Tony, I wasn't aware of this and will look into it.
DeleteI'm not sure if that CNN report still stands up, there are a few points that have been overtaken by later announcements, so that may be one of them. I will start digging. Thanks again.
DeleteI agree with yourcurrent assessment, which has inevitably to be seen as rolling commentary on a rapidly changing environment.
ReplyDeleteViewed from France, the past week contained two wonderful additional examples of Starmer's extraordinary ineptitude and lack of foresight. The first, from a few days' ago, was shown up by Mark Carney's trenchant attack on the King for inviting Trump to a second state visit to the UK, whilst Trump was expressing his desire to make Canada (or Canadia) the 51st state of the Union. The King would have been acting on the advice of one of his First Ministers (Starmer), without consulting some of his others (notably Carney and Albo). This shows, in one stroke, how out of touch both the King's Private Secretary and Starmer are in a world of real politik where Canada and Australia are far more important geopolitically than tin-pot Britain.
This morning then brought a wonderful account by John Crace of Starmer in Albania, giving the impression that he, Starmer, thought he was going to get a deal on an Albanian refugee hub. Apparently No, No, No. There must be some misunderstanding.
One Poundshop PM in office, and another waiting in the wings (Badenoch or Farage, yer takes yer pick).
I'm guilty of being overly critical on SM of your support for labours stance and their brexity red lines, Chris. Apologies. I have removed the more childish ones.
ReplyDeletebritain is facing a big sliding doors moment right now and it pains me to see well read, prominent commentators backing labour when the opposite should be happening.
After Starmers "island of strangers" speech, alongside their stance over brexit red lines, they are no different to reform or the tories now.
Fair enough. But to clarify again: I don't "support" Labour's stance/ red lines. I accept their existence and I understand the logic behind them. I have long advocated a somewhat different approach, though: https://chrisgreybrexitblog.blogspot.com/2022/12/theres-better-brexit-strategy-available.html
Deletefascinating stuff chris. well done. my issue is the core underlying logic of your brexit & beyond blog is based on fantasy.
Deletei.e. the brexit red lines are based on fantasy. 1,000s of words of whataboutery or "how awful everything is" doesn't change that.
It's not unlike starting a blog about starmers "Island of Strangers" speech with a "I don't agree with Starmers stance on strangers....but.....". It's called a performative utterance, Chris. But you know this already, right?
It's called analysis. If you don't like it, don't read it. I've already blocked you on BlueSky for persistently being a w****r (or making "childish comments" as you yourself put it), and if you make any more such comments here you will be blocked here, too.
Delete"launching this week’s morally reprehensible, politically counter-productive, and economically illiterate anti-immigration crusade"
ReplyDeleteI think it would be better to write, "morally reprehensible, economically illiterate, and politically popular anti-immigration crusade." Perhaps you are right that it is "politically counter-productive," but if you look at the US, the one thing holding up Trump's approval rating is his action against illegal immigrants. I guess you can be Canute and moral and all that, but elections are won by those who pander best, and if Starmer's actions are "politically counter-productive," it's because the forces which support him or should support him, see his anti-immigration stance as a betrayal, and so prevent him from garnering the political support which he should be getting.
My point about it being politically counter-productive was that those to whom it is meant to appeal perceive it as dishonest. That certainly isn't the fault of Labour supporters criticising it, since they see it (albeit negatively) as being what it claims to be, which, if anything, ought to help sell it to the target audience.
DeleteThis is a variation of the comment (which I might have seen here) that other parties can never beat the anti-immigration rhetoric by becoming more anti-immigrant themselves, because those people will always vote for the real deal (aka Reform) and ignore any similar moves by any of the other parties. Because they will (indeed) perceive them as dishonest.
DeleteThe only way to solve this is to solve their actual problems, which are caused by decades of underinvestment and poor job and housing opportunities, caused by amongst other things, being essentially ignored by the UK government. Reducing immigration isn't going to solve their problems, but it's a nice hook for people to latch their anger on to.
I don't see the current UK government really doing anything to address the issues related to the massive centralisation of governance and the poor funding of anything outside SE Britain. The local councils are so starved of funding they can barely provide basic services. I'm currently visiting the UK and struck again by how run down everything looks.
If I go to my son's primary school on monday and complain to the headteacher that it seems to me a bit like a school of strangers, because some of the children are born to foreign parents and have a different skin tone, I would be immediately reported to the Metropolitan Police. Yet our inane PM can say it in full and get rewarded.
ReplyDeleteCould anyone please explain to Starmer the lump of labour fallacy so he can respond to the tricksters when they moan about foreign nationals coming to work in the UK? It would be nice to stop following Farage's nonsense one day.
ReplyDeleteIf the Indian trade deal is a Brexit benefit, it is likely to be a short lived one, since an EU/India deal is expected by the end of 2025. Given the EU is India's biggest market, could this have influenced the timing of the UK deal ?
ReplyDeleteWhy would you be surprised at the LibDems attacking Labour policy on NICs for Indian visa-holders? It was literally the LibDems who gave you the Cameron government in the first place, back in 2010, by siding with the Tories instead of with Labour when they had the choice, and therefore the Brexit referendum — they are a party of opportunism, which ultimately exists not to represent some particular political philosophy or set of policies, but to expand its own influence by seizing opportunities to score off the two major parties. They don’t actually stand for anything, in the long term — there are basically no circumstances under which one could argue that a LibDem member was betraying the party’s central policy goals, as you can say about Starmer pushing Labour very far to the right.
ReplyDeleteI’m always slightly surprised by how passing minor comments, such as the bracketed one I made about the LibDems, can sometimes attract such vitriol. I do wonder if that is part of the problem of contemporary political discourse (so angry, so partisan, so easily triggered). Anyway, as to my comment, I think it is reasonable to say that hostility to immigration isn’t a usual LD hobbyhorse, certainly relative to the Conservatives. BTW, whatever else the LDs did by going into coalition with the Tories in 2010, they didn’t enable the Brexit referendum, since that only happened because the Tories won the 2015 election outright.
DeleteTotally agree. It seems to me that the LDs are one of the few groups of politicians that are not frightened of the charlatans and snake oil salesmen that constitute 'Reform'.
DeletePointing out that the LibDems don’t actually stand for anything on a permanent basis isn’t “vitriol”, and neither is pointing out that they could have turned either Labour or the Tories into the official government in 2010 and chose the Tories (after running a campaign which specifically mocked the Tories and suggested they were bad at governing), which made Cameron PM and eventually required him to promise a Brexit referendum to hold the Tories together. Statements of fact aren’t “vitriol”. The LibDems have made considerable political capital out of NOT being responsible for anything, which lets them frame every campaign as a referendum on the two major parties — the most they ever have to defend is a single unpopular MP, who they can always proclaim to have been a renegade. As Terry Pratchett once said: an underdog can always find somewhere soft to bite; now that both Labour and the Tories have demonstrated a remarkable inability to do anything at all that might make the very rich even slightly less rich, no matter how desperately such a step might be needed, they will undoubtedly make further gains.
DeleteLike UKIP/Reform, which uses the same sort of appeal but exclusively to the right wing, if the LibDems were ever to actually hold a majority in Parliament, much of their electoral support would vanish practically overnight because they would immediately accrue an undebatable legislative and executive track record, no longer permitting them to serve as an immaculate — because untested — target onto which supporters can project their own desires and policy goals. You can’t claim unpopular votes in Parliament are from renegade MPs if the votes came from a majority of your party.
The Democratic Party in the US, not being a third party, is unable to use the same strategy all the time, but if you examine their party platforms and campaigns and compare them to what they have actually done after taking office, there is a distinct similarity between the Democrats when not in the majority and the LibDems — when a minority in both houses of Congress in 2006, for example, the Democrats campaigned on ending the Iraq war and holding the Bush administration responsible for it; having taken a majority in both houses of Congress, both goals were almost immediately jettisoned despite remaining popular with the public.
OK but I just thought the tone was a bit off
DeleteGreat post as ever. Here in Spain we had Europe Day celebrations, what was interesting is that there were not in any way organised by the EU but simply arranged spontaneously by local people, featuring events for adults and children.
ReplyDeleteMy memory is a little fuzzy but I really don't recall anything about Europe Day in the UK. I would be interested as a test for the Europhile readers of the blog, do you know what day Europe Day is, without Googling it?
To be honest, I'm not sure I would have done before moving here. Anyway, I thought it was an interesting point on cultural differences around the EU.
I do, but that's only because I've lived in the EU for the past 10 years. I don't recall it ever even being mentioned in the UK when we were a member of the EU - but for me that simply underline the UK's attitude towards the EU since day 1, which has always smacked of outdated, stand-offish superiority!
DeleteA long time ago, as a pro EU campaigner in London, I was interviewed on a local radio station about celebrating Europe Day. The aggressive talking head said to me ‘Europe Day, c’mon, its just like ‘National clean- your-desk day.’ I attempted to put May 9 in the fuller, longer term context of making a European peace & building a prosperous, stable future. But these deeper and more profound impulses and histories seem hard to get heard in modern Britain…
DeleteAnnunziata Rees-Mogg on BBC R2 waxing lyrical about 'Brexit Betrayal'. She didn't seem to understand that the UK has been well and truly betrayed by Brexit. The embittered Leavers seem to be unable to to cogently explain what they were trying to achieve, and that Boris and Lord Gormless Frost cannot admit that they got it hopelessly wrong. Still, today's news indicates some progress out of the quagmire.
ReplyDeleteHello from an Italian. Lots of smoke and little roast to hear our media: agreements on trade but racism remains a linchpin to not displease Farage's base. No youth mobility, no student exchanges, no Erasmus.
ReplyDeleteIs it fair to conclude, then, that the British state has expended an enormous and inordinate amount of time, money and emotional, moral and political capital to achieve economic deals and a place in the world slightly, but discernibly, worse than the one we had a decade ago?
ReplyDeleteAnother brilliant post, thank you Professor Grey. Regarding the tension between nativist- protectionist Brexiters and the ultra-IEA-Free-Trade-No-Stater libertarians, my money is firmly on the nativists winning out, although the UK could morph into a Pinochet variant. Either polity would imho be highly restrictive of free movement of labour/immigration if not capital and probably violently repressive in other areas
ReplyDeleteJust to say that I hope you'll break your fortnightly rule and share your views on yesterday's UK-EU summit this week, instead of asking us to wait till 30 May. Your blog has been my mainstay since the end of 2016. Let's hope that the tide is at last turning...
ReplyDeleteThanks. Yes, I will post on Friday - I should have said that at the end of last week's post as it was obvious there would be stuff to say.
DeleteDo people really believe the garbage that the right wing media pump out, or are the media owners terrified of losing their ability to avoid tax, which was the main reason for Brexit in the first place?
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