Brexit is back in the news again. That is partly the aftermath of the budget, discussed in my previous post, which was followed by speeches at the Mansion House by Chancellor Rachel Reeves and the Governor of the Bank of England Andrew Bailey. The latter highlighted the economic damage of Brexit and called for a re-building of relations with the EU “while respecting the decision of the British people”.
It's true that, as economics commentator Simon Nixon observed, this marked a notable break with official Brexit omerta. Still, it was not exactly dynamite stuff. The economics are well-known and the political message was identical to the government’s own stated policy. Indeed, Reeves’ own Mansion House speech said the same thing. In that sense, Bailey’s comments showed the limitations of government policy in that, as he must know, closer relations with the EU will only marginally reduce the ongoing costs of Brexit. So, despite being accused by Matthew Lynn in The Spectator of “reopening the Brexit debate”, Bailey hardly did that, unless even the barest mention of Brexit is now to be described that way.
If his comments attracted attention, it was mainly because of the wider context of now intense discussion about what the coming Trump presidency is going to mean for post-Brexit Britain. In my previous post I suggested that ‘hot takes’ on this were not wise, and to an extent I think that is still the case. Apart from the fact that he isn’t yet in office, he is by any standards a capricious politician. What he may actually do when he comes back to power is highly unpredictable.
Trump’s psychodrama
I don’t mean, of course, that it isn’t already abundantly obvious that it is going to be dire. The choices he is already making for key appointments demonstrate he is going to oversee a depraved, intellectually and morally bankrupt, regime. About the only thing which may save us from the worst is that it may well also be too incompetent and too prone to infighting to deliver what it threatens.
However, within that broad picture, it remains to be seen exactly what he does in terms of the two issues most obviously of concern the UK: defence posture as regards NATO generally and Ukraine specifically, and a blanket hike in trade tariffs. I’ll discuss the latter shortly, and whilst I won’t discuss the former in this post there is a good analysis by Benjamin Martell of Edinburgh University in The New European, building on his and others’ report for the Independent Commission on UK-EU Relations earlier this year.
Beyond the difficulty of predicting what he will do, I think there is an undesirability in doing so. One of the ways in which narcissistic bullies like Trump exert power – and it’s the same in playgrounds, prisons, and some businesses as it is in politics – is precisely to generate a psychodrama of fearful uncertainty around themselves: ‘what will he do? What will we do if he does that? What will he do then if we do that?’
In this way, those around the narcissist become unwittingly complicit in his way of exercising power. It is very difficult to find a way of resisting that kind of power, but one possibility might be to stand back a little from the frenzy. To play it long and cool, rather than short and hot. Admittedly, that is not a luxury open to the heroic defenders of Ukraine, but it might be good advice to the UK. However, as a matter of fact, political actors and commentators here are currently engaged in trying to work out what Trump means. So the frenzy can’t be ignored.
Trump’s tariff threats
In the UK, and very directly connected with Brexit, much of that frenzy has been to do with trade. Specifically, if Trump does impose a blanket 10% or even 20% on imports to the US it would mean, at the upper end of that range, an estimated 0.8% fall in annual UK economic output. That it is not even worse is because the bulk of UK exports to the US are services (which do not attract tariffs) rather than goods. But, in the context of already anaemic growth forecasts, and the very urgent political and economic need for improved growth, that would be quite bad enough. That seems to be the baseline assumption in most commentary, but of course if it turned out to be 10%, or if the uplift was only applied to certain sectors (and depending what these were) the impact would be less. But it still wouldn’t be good.
If any of these scenarios happens, then one response, and it may well be the EU’s response, could be to impose retaliatory tariffs on imports from the US. A trade war, in other words. The UK could do that on its own account, but it is far too small to be able to win a trade war with the US. So this exposes the weakness of post-Brexit Britain. For many of those opposed to Brexit, it re-presents a choice between the EU and the US, to which the answer must be the EU. According to Brexiters, though, the opposite is true (£), and being outside the EU means that the UK could strike a deal with the US on its own account.
Others, by no means confined to Brexiters, see a less stark choice. Peter Mandelson, tipped as the possible next Ambassador to the US, sees a third way, with the unfortunately worded suggestion (£) that the UK could “have its cake and eat it”. It’s a possibility endorsed (£) by the generally acute Financial Times commentator Robert Shrimsley. Similarly, Andrew Haldane, the former Chief Economist at the Bank of England, believes a deal is possible without prejudicing relations with the EU. One reason for making such a claim is that not only are most UK exports to the US made up of services, but it is services trade where the UK has a trade surplus. Given that Trump’s tariffs are aimed at those countries with surpluses in goods trade, the UK isn’t so much his target as potential collateral damage.
What does a ‘deal’ mean?
However, the discussion of all this has already become mired in confusion. That is principally because it has conflated two potentially very different things. One is the old Brexiter dream of a UK-US Free Trade Agreement (FTA), meaning, at its most basic, an across-the-board removal or reduction of all or most tariffs, but potentially including the removal of some non-tariff barriers to trade. The other is a specific deal to be exempted from the blanket imposition of Trump’s new tariffs. An FTA would improve the current terms of trade. An ‘exemption deal’ would simply return terms of trade to the status quo ante.
They are also different in that FTAs typically take a long time to negotiate, whereas an exemption deal, at least in principle, need not. And that reflects the fact that the things required of the UK for an FTA would be likely to involve substantial concessions on regulatory issues (‘chlorinated chicken’ being the symbolic one), especially as regards agriculture and pharmaceuticals. What would be needed for an exemption deal is less easy to predict, but could be things like voluntary export quotas, restrictions on Chinese imports, or agreement to import large quantities of US military equipment – but not, necessarily, regulatory concessions. [1]
These two scenarios therefore have different implications for the other side of the coin, UK-EU relations. An FTA, to the extent it entailed regulatory change, would move the UK further from the EU regulatory orbit. That would derail the current direction of Labour’s ‘reset’ policy, which is primarily based on continuing alignment with the EU. It would certainly derail the centrepiece of that policy, a UK-EU SPS deal (which would entail regulatory alignment on agricultural standards, especially). It would also have implications for Northern Ireland, which would remain bound by EU goods regulations, and thus would ‘thicken’ the Irish Sea Border. A more limited exemption deal might well avoid these things, but would certainly do political damage to the reset in terms of trust, assuming that it left the EU fighting a trade war with the US which the UK had managed to slide out of.
A trade deal with Trump?
Some Brexiters would undoubtedly argue that the distinction I’ve drawn is irrelevant, in that an FTA would also be an exemption deal (even though an exemption deal wouldn’t be an FTA). That’s true, but it doesn’t affect the point that an FTA would take longer to agree, and in the meantime there would be no exemption from the blanket new tariffs. Nor does it recognize the profound political difficulties any UK government would face if it met likely US demands on regulations.
But there is a more fundamental issue. Brexiters, both in the Tory and Reform parties, are now talking as if a UK-US FTA was there for the taking under Trump’s first presidency, and will now be available again. Kemi Badenoch is even claiming (£) that there is an “oven ready agreement negotiated by the last Tory government”. This is nonsense. There was no such agreement [2]. In fact, Trump blew hot and cold about a deal first time round. That’s actually a specific example of my earlier point about how narcissistic bullies use uncertainty to exert power. And even if he ever did offer such a deal, it would be on one-sided terms (that would probably be true under any US administration, but certainly under Trump’s ‘winner takes all’ version of deal-making).
In any case, this latest upsurge of talk about trade talks is exhibiting some of the same deficiencies as the earlier version. One concerns the relative importance to the UK of trade with the US and the EU. Brexiters, including Badenoch, are already wheeling out the misleading claim that the US is the UK’s largest trade partner. That’s misleading because it treats each member of the EU as a separate trade partner. They aren’t, to the extent that all are part of a single market and customs union. Brexiters really can’t have it both ways, saying that EU membership prevented the UK from being independent, especially in trade policy, but then talking as if each EU member is a separate trading entity. Secondly, it resurrects the misleading idea that a UK-US FTA would be much of an economic prize anyway. The previous government’s figures suggest it would provide an additional 0.07% to 0.16% per annum to GDP over 15 years.
Nevertheless, what we are going to see, and are already beginning to see, is Brexiters pretending that there is an easy, perfect solution to the Trump tariffs, but one that the Labour government is refusing to take because it is anti-Trump and pro-EU. We will see, as is also already beginning, Nigel Farage claiming with smirking self-importance that he has his own special relationship with Trump, giving him a unique influence and insight, just as he did first time round. Along with that will be noises from Trump supporters, and again they are already beginning, suggesting a deal is possible if only the UK abandons ‘EU socialism’. Trump will undoubtedly throw fuel on to that fire (‘I offered them a great deal, it was a beautiful deal, but they didn’t want it. I d’know why, I hear they preferred the EU, I d’know, but it was a beautiful deal’).
Beneath this, there is a still more fundamental issue. Trade policy is never wholly about economics, or economic rationality. But this is unusually so for Trump. If it wasn’t he would hardly even be contemplating the blanket tariff, which will increase prices in the US (though, despite what some think, that probably won’t bother his supporters). Instead, trade policy for Trump is about beating his enemies, in this context meaning the EU and China (which may face 60% tariffs). So there’s no point in thumbing through Ricardian theory on comparative advantage to try to understand Trump’s policy. But the corollary is that there’s no point in trying to frame responses in these terms.
In concrete terms, this means that the UK government should not weigh its (distinctly limited) options simply in terms of economic effects. An exemption deal might reduce the immediate economic damage, but its longer-term costs to the UK, both economic and geo-political, would be considerable in terms of the EU and, very possibly, China. The potential Chinese dimension is worth stressing, because at issue for the UK is not a just a two-way tug between the EU and the US, but being stuck between all three blocs. That was brought into focus by Keir Starmer’s attempts this week to improve relations with China, which might well be jeopardized by any form of deal with the US. To put all this another way, the only deals Trump does are those that favour him.
The cleavage in 21st century politics
This brings us to the final, and deepest, level of what is at stake here, and it is far more important than tariffs on this or that, or small percentages of GDP. It is that what Trump represents, as Brexit does, is what I’ve elsewhere discussed as ‘anti-ruleism’. In the most basic way, his anticipated blanket tariff policy makes a mockery of WTO rules. But his entire approach to politics is one which rejects the rule of law, scientific rationality, and, ultimately, the concept of ‘rational-legal authority’. I try to avoid social science jargon on this blog, but I think it may be useful here.
The sociologist Max Weber developed the idea that modern, industrial societies were increasingly characterised by systemic, codified rules and laws, objectively formulated and applied. So we obey X because s/he is the legitimate holder of the office (of President, or CEO, or whatever), not because of the person holding it. Weber contrasted that with authority that was ‘traditional’ (e.g. monarchy, church) or ‘charismatic’ (derived from the persona of the leader).
Trump fairly obviously seeks to elevate charisma over rules, but more to the point he embodies a hostility to ‘rules’ as a concept of social organization and politics. In this, he shares a common ideology with the ‘disruptor’ tech bosses, like Elon Musk, who now support him, and, in the UK, with their fanboy Dominic Cummings (£). He also shares it with Vladimir Putin, who relies on a peculiar admixture of charismatic and traditional authority, fused with nationalism, and is equally disdainful of the rules-based international order.
It is also shared by Boris Johnson, exhibited by the way that he (for perhaps idiosyncratic reasons) and the Brexit Jacobins (for reasons of fanaticism) believed it was acceptable to dispose of all conventions and institutions, including parliament itself, in order to ‘get Brexit done’. It is shared by Liz Truss, who still insists those institutions caused her downfall. Emblematic of this is the hostility of both Trump and the Brexiters to bureaucracy and, especially, the civil service, which, not coincidentally, was emblematic, for Weber, of rational-legal authority. That hostility is shared by Kemi Badenoch, in her aggressive diatribes against ‘the bureaucratic class’. Such anti-ruleism is obviously connected with populism, but it isn’t identical to it (there’s a book to be written there). The disjuncture is what did for Boris Johnson, when his disdain for the Covid rules fell foul of the populist idea that ‘rules should apply to all of us’.
There are many different ways of understanding these developments. One way might be to see them in terms of the latest phase in the unwinding of the politics of the Cold War (that would need another book). Another, even more epochal, would be to see them as a kind of Counter-Enlightenment, in which the eighteenth-century battles over rationality are being re-fought but in the other direction (that’s a third book). Of course, the Trump presidency will not last forever. But there is a sense that deep and profound changes are now established in the US and elsewhere. And why not? Despite the brief moment when some claimed ‘the end of history’, history never ends.
However they are framed, the key point is that these developments are about far more than international trade. That is not surprising, because Brexit itself was about far more than trade with the EU; more, even, than membership of the EU. Needless to say, these are not the terms in which most people are framing the current situation, although Rafael Behr of the Guardian comes close to doing so. If it were framed that way then, indeed, the whole question of Brexit would be re-litigated. It is clear that the government have no intention of doing that.
Will Starmer’s government rise to the challenge?
Nevertheless, in terms of the division I have presented here, Keir Starmer is very much on one side, being almost the epitome of rational-legal authority or, so to speak, ‘ruleism’. That is something to be grateful for, yet even framed in the narrower terms of trade and tariffs his government’s response so far is rather wishy-washy. Reeves has spoken of seeking to do a deal with the US “whether that's through a free trade agreement or through further improvements in our trade and investment flows”. But in the same interview she pledged that “we’re not going to allow British farmers to be undercut by different rules and regulations”, effectively ruling out an FTA. As for some exemption deal on new tariffs, she just says that “we'll make the case for free and open trade”. What does that mean in practice? Who knows.
Perhaps, when Trump’s intentions become clearer then so will those of the British government. But my hunch is that they won’t. I don’t think that the government is, as I put it earlier, playing it long and cool. I think it will simply try to muddle through, dodging or fudging the choices in the hope that they become irrelevant, if only through the decisions made by other countries. Arguably, in a situation in which the UK has so little leverage and so few good choices available, that has a certain pragmatism. But as a response to the bigger framing of those choices gestured towards in this post it is wholly inadequate.
Why are Labour in this situation? In some ways it is because, faced with Trump, any British government, like the governments of many other countries, has an almost impossible problem. But, just as, for Britain, Brexit adds to all the economic problems that other countries face, so too does it add to the Trump problem. For this government, in particular, that is compounded by its commitment to a Brexit policy which it does not believe in but is unwilling, and perhaps unable, to repudiate.
Notes
[1] This is my amateurish take on the question. For more detailed analysis (though I think it is pretty much compatible with mine) from trade experts, see Sam Lowe’s Substack newsletter, David Henig on the UK Trade Policy Observatory blog, and Dmitry Grozoubinski’s guest post on Ian Dunt’s Substack newsletter.
[2] It may be that Badenoch was referring to the previous government’s statement of the case for such an agreement (2020) Even if so, that was, emphatically, not an agreement with the US, still less one which is now ‘oven ready’ to be signed with Trump.
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You've often ( correctly ) conflated Brexiteers with populism and of course Trump is another example of the latter. I suppose the question is why democracies now seem more prone to populist tendencies ( as opposed to the 1990s, for example). I'd be tempted to suggest new media as a key cause - it seems well designed for the simple sound bites of populism. The question might be, therefore, how the rational side of humanity manage this risk in the future.
ReplyDeleteDemocracies are increasingly prone to right-wing populism because supposedly left-wing parties who were the guardians of the postwar “liberal” consensus got suborned by the rich and ceased delivering any significant tangible benefits to the public. In the 60s, contentious though everything was, you could point very definitely to benefits being provided by the welfare state and economic stimulus to the public. In (approximately; it was a range of time everywhere and varies from country to country) the late 80s and early 90s, the idea of making progress by benefitting the public was replaced by the idea of benefitting the economy so much that the public would be uplifted as a side effect. That was New Labour in the UK, the New Democrats (the Democratic Leadership Council) in the US, and similar groups everywhere. By 2000, it was no longer possible to point to specific policies of what had been center-left parties and demonstrate that there was a public benefit, and since the hollowed-out corpses of those parties embraced policies which harmed the public (such as both invasions of Iraq) they became unable to defend against the claims of the right wing.
DeleteBy the late 1980s the right wing had concluded that a good strategy to pre-emptively neutralise the ability of any left wing administration was to pre-emptively empty the coffers by pursuing populist "spend without tax" policies. That strategy was very effectively - and deliberately - pursued by Reagan, HW Bush, W Bush, and Trump 1. Clinton reversed this but Obama and Biden have struggled to contain the deficits on their watch. The underlying point is that this right wing economic strategy is such a potent poison pill that it has largely defeated any attempts by the left to advance public sector in a coherent and effective manner. This strategy has of course been replicated in other countries as part of the successful overall right wing playbook. So far no corresponding set of coherent strategies seem to exist in the left wing playbook (with periods such as Blair and Obama merely being the centre-right in left-wing garb).
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According to one Anonymous - the one on the right -, populism is the fault of the left, and according to the leftist Anonymous, populism is the fault of the right. On the contrary, populism is a result of simple demographics and a changing world order which is unstoppable. There are two billion plus Asians willing to work and compete with the one billion workers in the West. And Africans are waiting in the wings. It's entirely natural that living standards converge. The solution isn't neoliberal free trade. The solution isn't Trumpian protectionism. There isn't a governmental solution. Technology diffuses, no matter how much the government tries to stop it. A non-Western worker is as good as a Western one. Protectionism can protect the home market, but the West wasn't prosperous because of its home market; it was prosperous because it used to outcompete in foreign markets, and protectionism will make that worse, not better.
DeleteCurrently no President can make trade deals. Could change, but would delay talks further.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2021-06-29/supply-chains-latest-biden-lets-trade-promotion-authority-lapse
Yes, that's one reason why an FTA would take longer. But as I understand it he would have the power to exempt countries (in this case the UK) from the hypothetical new blanket tariffs i.e. to do what in the post I call and 'exemption deal'. But I'm happy to be corrected if I am wrong about this.
DeleteCorrect currently, though businesses are pushing to limit President's power over Tariffs and readying legal challenges.
DeleteA lot will depend on just how far the Supreme Court is willing to push their embrace of absolute power for Trump, and how quickly he is willing to discard conventions. Frankly, given the current set of precedents set by Presidents going back to Clinton to expand the power of the executive branch and the decision that Trump explicitly has immunity from prosecution for anything he does “on official business”, he could simply demand anything he likes from Congress and have anybody who disagrees imprisoned or even killed — what would there be to stop him if, as already ruled in advance, he is above the law? The Republicans have a majority in both houses of Congress and have signaled that they intend to do anything Trump wants anyway.
Delete(It’s also worth pointing out that the one remaining tool the Democrats have to oppose Trump is the filibuster, which lets them stop the Senate from passing legislation. But of course the filibuster is not actually mandated by the Constitution, it is a procedural rule which the Senate adopted long enough ago to be considered traditional but which can be abolished at the beginning of any session. The Republicans may simply choose to abolish it, which would give them full control immediately — and, incidentally, underscore just how stupid the Democrats have been for not doing the same in 2009 or 2021, when they held the same position the Republicans now do. They did not do so at those times because of the threat of reprisal should the positions be reversed, and as a result were unable to enact even weakened versions of their platforms. Many of us suggested in 2021 that the filibuster would not survive another Republican takeover.)
I think people are underestimating the damage that Trump will do to the USA. A total collapse of government and law & order seems likely, which would be followed by economic collapse. Any trade deal would become an irrelevance.
ReplyDeleteNot sure how far he will go, but overall, I think you are right. He is an old man in a hurry. The rule book is going to be shredded. As a powerful narcissist, to hell with the consequences to Americans, other people & other countries. Ego wins!
DeleteYou could be right, but OTOH you could be wrong, and IMHO you are. Trump or not, the USA will be mining the moon before the end of the decade. Maybe China will get there a few years later, but Europe? Europe won't even be in the running. Control of resources brings power and wealth, and power and wealth tends to stave off collapse. My two cents FWIW.
DeleteA “total collapse of government and law & order” doesn’t seem at all likely to me. We didn’t see that in the UK under Boris Johnson, despite the simulateous stressors of the fallout from Brexit and the COVID-19 pandemic. In the United States, a lot of government functions are carried out by state and local governments, not the Federal government, so a lot can go wrong at the Federal level without causing a total collapse of government.
DeleteA “total collapse of government and law & order” doesn’t seem at all likely to me. We didn’t see that in the UK under Boris Johnson, despite the simulateous stressors of the fallout from Brexit and the COVID-19 pandemic. In the United States, a lot of government functions are carried out by state and local governments, not the Federal government, so a lot can go wrong at the Federal level without causing a total collapse of government.
DeleteThen again, he’s also extremely old and in poor mental condition. He may die or become so totally dysfunctional that he is removed from office via the process outlined in the 25th amendment, in which case J. D. Vance becomes President. (Arguably the Democrats should have done this to Biden after Biden started noticeably sundowning during the televised Presidential debate, but they put party loyalty ahead of the wellbeing of the country, which was very noticeable to the public and played a large part in their election losses.) Vance is not much of an improvement over Trump, but he is not Trump and all kinds of dynamics would change immediately.
DeleteAn electorate that feels it "mustn't grumble" and a government content to "muddle through". An accurate but depressing assessment of where we seem to have landed.
ReplyDeleteSurely there is another divide that you don't mention: between those who believe the State should have absolute power and those of us who would like to end the autocratic divine right of kings that enables majority governments to make any law they wish.
ReplyDeleteThere is a crucial issue in any trade deal with the U.S., Trade Promotion Authority (aka Fast Track) - the most recent TPA was enacted in 2015 and expired in July 2021. Neither Trump nor Biden were able to secure TPA so far.
ReplyDeleteYou have to understand the constitutional allocation of powers – a trade agreement consist of tariffs and imposts, but is also a treaty. The power to set taxes is entirely allocated to Congress, while treaties are subject to ratification by the Senate with a 2/3 vote - trade agreements have to get 50% of the house and 2/3 of the senate to pass. This is a problem, because between 100 Senators and 435 Members of the house, and all those lobbyist, a bill implementing a trade agreement is an incredible vehicle for stuffing amendments into, plus, it allows Congress to effectively engage in ex post facto negotiation on a take it or leave it basis. Until, I think in the Kennedy administration someone came up with Fastrack it proved nearly impossible to negotiate trade agreements for these reasons. Watch TPA/fast track does is subject any trade agreement to a simple, no amendments, up or down vote in Congress. It presents a trade agreement to Congress as a take it or leave it, emasculates the lobbyist, etc. Congress and the special interests hate TPA/fast track - it doesn’t matter what party… bits of the TPA survive, but they are very limited.
Negotiating a trade agreement without fast track is virtually impossible – but politically getting fast track, especially from MAGA Republicans scant majority in the House would be very tough. I would not see Trump securing TPA even if he wanted to before 2026.
Yes, this is part of the reason why I made the point that an FTA would not happen quickly. But, as I said in response to a similar point upthread, what I call an 'exemption deal' would not require this (it wouldn't be a 'trade agreement') - though as I also said in that response, I'm happy to be corrected.
DeleteWell again that’s more complicated, and part of that requires this Supreme Court to be consistent in its “if the President’s a Democrat it’s an illegal usurpation of congressional powers - oh, it’s a Republican, that’s OK.” So there are a set of statutory provisions that delegate some powers to raise tariffs to the President, but they are complicated. It’s plausible for him to impose retaliatory tariffs on China using section 301 in particular, arguing that certain Chinese policies “violates, or is inconsistent with, the provisions of, or otherwise denies benefits to the United States under, any trade agreement, or … is unjustifiable and burdens or restricts United States commerce.” There are a range of Chinese policies that he can cite - and indeed Biden has cited. Europe and the UK would be tougher to use 301 on.
DeleteSection 232 is less effective at targeting specific countries - rather it can be used against a class of imports, so Trump used it against steel and aluminium in his past administration, and Biden act continued many of these. it will be tricky to make an exception for the UK under 232 since it’s predicated on the idea that the US has a problem with imports a specific commodity. Trump’s use of 232 though was recently upheld in court.
Then their section 338 which was enacted under FDR and has been very rarely used. It is based on a finding that finds that a foreign country has imposed an unreasonable charge on, or discriminated against, U.S. commerce. However, it’s not clear that the president can actually use this directly, or whether it has to go through what’s called the international trade commission or ITC which is a quasi judicial process, similar to that applied in dumping and countervailing duties. The problem is to make an exception of the UK his administration would have to show that the policy he was accusing on say the part of the EU was something the UK didn’t do too.
Thanks, that is very interesting and helpful
DeleteThank you very much for your excellent report Chris, feature length this week too.
ReplyDeleteThis could be one of the worst times in history for a country to be without influence and at the same time weakened by poor choices and with self sufficiency in nothing.
The good ol' days will be those when the UK was an EU member with a special deal and top table power.
Excellent thought-provoking blog.
ReplyDeleteThere is no half-way house with Donald Trump. You are either fully with him or, from his POV, you are against him.
The UK will have to make a choice.
A Conservative-led UK government would be ideologically closer to Trump so a Labour-led UK government will have to do something dramatic to demonstrate its fealty.
In the absence of this, it will be viewed suspiciously as just another European socialist country - and treated accordingly.
The EU has a long-list of challenges, both internal and external. It was weakened by the departure of the UK and its cohesion is under pressure from populist nationalist movements in its members (and their regions). The peace project that gave rise to the ECSC/EEC/EU is under threat.
The UK chose and has enacted a total rejection of the EU. It is on an independent path - reaffirmed in the clearest possible terms by the Labour government.
Whilst welcoming a less antagonistic tone from the UK government, the EU simply does not have the bandwidth or appetite to initiate and drive a reset of relations (or to respond to wishy-washy UK wish lists while its own, including implementation of existing agreements, are dismissed or ignored) with a UK whose people have rejected it and whose government has vilified it at every opportunity over the past eight years.
A rapprochement, if any, will have to come from the UK (its people, its politicians and its government). Despite disappointment with Brexit, I see little or no sign of any significant movement in that regard.
The post-1989 world characterised by integration and globalisation has fragmented and, just like Humpty Dumpy, all the king’s horses and all the king’s men can’t put Humpty together again.
For good or ill, the UK is on its own economically. but defence and security remain its best prospects for cooperation with its neighbours.
I would love for someone to provide me with a convincing argument why the foregoing is inaccurate.
I've recently come back from a vacation in the USA and I got some time to speak in some detail with a couple of Trump supporters.
DeleteTheir viewpoint was very much America First and that the US simply doesn't need allies. The country needs very little trade, what it does do is unbalanced and it has been dragged into too many foreign wars, all of which have been disasters.
To give you a sense of their view, imagine Nigeria asked to become a major ally of the UK. You would probably think it is small, far away, irrelevant and likely to be more of a cost than a benefit.
Fabulous stuff
ReplyDelete'Anti-rulism' nails it perfectly...the whole idea that 'all we need is a bit of common sense' whilst neglecting the quote (Twain or Franklin?) that 'common sense' is neither commonly held nor does it particularly make sense.
And yes, the analysis of the compulsion to comment on DT and his narcissist bullying despite the fact that we all know he's best left alone as much as possible is equally spot on.
But finally, are we sure that his Presidency can't last forever? He has the trifecta and the SCOTUS on his side...why not lay aside the 'two term only rule'? Takes a long timne to MAGA, y'know!
David
Whenever I visit Brussels, or indeed other EU locations, the message is that they have moved on and have other concerns. The UK is simply not even on the first page of their list. That message comes consistently from officials and from citizens alike.
ReplyDeleteIt’s a pity more expert commentators don’t identify the politics of Trump, Putin, Johnson/Brexiters et al. as the right-wing anarchism that it is. OK, the meaning of the inelegant ‘anti-ruleism’, is clear, if you must avoid social science jargon. And sure, anarchy is a widely abused and misunderstood term. But right-wing anarchism especially needs understanding. It is indeed not the same as populism.
ReplyDeleteHave just read the blog post from 2021 to which your link refers...and what a way we have come since then! The moral turpitude and dishonesty in government that, quite rightly, you railed against has now become - at least to many, largely in the opposition and the populist prints - the accepted manner of proceeding. And its full flowering across the pond is simultaneously an awful and awe-ful thing to behold. The value of this blog as a record of the changing moral standards of politics is one of its many, many virtues.
DeleteIMHO the future of the UK will look a lot like Puerto Rico, i.e.: some kind of unofficial US territory.
ReplyDeleteExemptions for the UK seem unlikely. The first problem, as Scott Bessent wrote, is that last time the tariffs simply moved the deficit around between countries, so a broad-based tariff is required to stop imports being substituted with other imports from other countries.
ReplyDeleteThe second issue is that the USA has a fiscal deficit of 6% and there clearly is a need to narrow that, while also cutting domestic taxes. Bessent and others in Trump's team have said that the tariffs are required to raise revenue, and they have explicitly discussed the move from income tax to tariffs as was historically the case.
It's very hard to see how an exemption for the UK makes sense given this background.
If you have an Economist subscription you can read more from the man himself at https://www.economist.com/by-invitation/2024/10/23/the-international-economic-system-needs-a-readjustment-writes-scott-bessent
Very minor typo in the paragraph headed "What does a ‘deal’ mean?" - goods, not good, in the sentence about EU regulations for NI. The regs may also be good of course!
ReplyDeleteThanks, now corrected
DeleteIs a tariff exception deal with the US possible under WTO rules? Although, I suppose it fits with anti-ruleism.
ReplyDeleteHello from Italy, interesting as always.
ReplyDeleteA question: the EU sell to England, Scotland and Wales without customs controls because the UK government has not been able or unwilling to implement them. What will happen when the US or China finds out during a trade war where they claim to take a position?
You mean maybe a WTO discrimination case? It's always possible but probably unlikely for as long as UK is saying it is in process of introducing controls on EU imports, and even without that any action would take a long, long time AIUI
DeleteHello from Italy. True, a WTO trial takes time, but it remains a lever of the type "I'll put duties on you until you stop controlling only US products". It's bullshit, I know, but the media are great at scaring with lies.
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ReplyDeleteOff topic but are you able to comment on GPSR and its implications concerning exports to the EU and NI from 13th December? There is a paucity of information on the Goverment website, no suprise, but there appear to be massive issues such as the need for 'Authorised Representatives within the EU/NI for businesses in the UK. Thank you.
Hope to write something about this in the next post
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ReplyDeleteOff topic but are you able to comment on the implications of GPSR for GB exporters to the EU/NI? My understanding is that with the requirement of an 'Authorised Representative' if a company is not based in the EU or NI will be devastating to SMEs on top of what we have already been through.
Thank you.
Thanks Chris. Another great blog.
ReplyDeleteIt will be a further nail in the coffin for GB-based SMEs, especially hardware-centric ones, most especially fast-change sectors. CE-compliance already is very problematic (aka uneconomic as self certification is no longer an option) which leaves either for the importer to make the CE-declaration (€€€€) or for a certification authority to be employed to make the declaration (€€€€). Adding in GPSR basically makes it even more €€€€€ to the point where it is utterly uneconomic as an SME.
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