Friday, 15 March 2024

‘I want my country back’: what’s in a phrase?

Lee Anderson’s decision this week to join the Reform Party, becoming its first, if unelected, MP brought into focus several of the Brexit themes I’ve been writing about in recent months. At the beginning of October, discussing the ways that Brexit has driven the Tory Party mad, I made specific reference to Anderson, then the Deputy Chairman, as illustrating how there are no discernible differences between many sections of the Tory Party and Reform. So, given the prompt of losing the Tory whip, it was an obvious move for him to make. It’s possible that other Tory MPs will follow him to Reform without that spur to action, but none have done so yet. And why should they? It is now obvious to all, as it should have been for a while, that, as I wrote in February 2023, Brexitism is eating Conservatism.

Thus the end-game for the Brexitist (or NatCon populists, or Five Families, or whatever label we might use for them) is to take complete control of the Tory Party after it loses the election, and then to bring Reform Party voters and politicians, perhaps including Nigel Farage, into an invigorated ‘true Conservative’ Party. Meanwhile, the job of Reform is to siphon off as much as possible of the vote, so as to inflict a catastrophic defeat upon Sunak, facilitating the Brexitist takeover and paving the way for an actual or effective merger. Who knows, Anderson himself may re-enter the Tory fold in the process. Or perhaps he will disappear into well-deserved oblivion, a footnote in dusty volumes of political history.

Why Anderson matters

Whatever his personal fate, the more interesting thing about his defection (though, technically, it wasn’t quite that, given that he had already lost the Tory whip) was the way Anderson explained his motivation. It was, he announced, using the kind of grave tone that implied it was some deeply thought-out, startlingly original insight, because “I want my country back”. Fellow Brexitist Andrea Jenkyns was in agreement, though apparently miffed since she had been “saying this for months!”, as if she had the copyright. In fact, it was exactly the decades-old cliché which I referred to in my post only a couple of weeks ago when discussing the politics of nostalgia feeding what I called ‘radical Brexitism’ (though the precise words I used there were ‘I just want my country back’).

Anderson claims, probably rightly, that his is a desire shared by “millions of people up and down the country”, although whether, as populists believe, it amounts to a (‘silent’) majority is another question. Allison Pearson in the Telegraph (£) certainly thinks, using a formulation with a certain redolence, that “Lee Anderson was right.” And it is the extent to which his idea has support, rather than Anderson himself, that matters. It is at least part of what gave us Brexit, but in doing so, as I suggested in my post, that revealed how chimerical it is as a political goal. After all, immediately after the referendum, Nigel Farage declared that “We’ve got our country back” and yet now, eight years later, Anderson and his ‘millions of others’ are still complaining, still aggrieved, still making the same demand.

One thing I didn’t know when I wrote my own post about nostalgia, but learned about this week from a poster on X-Twitter, is that in 2016 the critic A.A. Gill wrote a highly incisive critique of the ‘I want my country back’ motif, and its role in the nostalgia that informed the case to leave the EU. It is far better-written, and far more amusing, than my own effort, but there’s one important thing which Gill doesn’t mention, and which I only briefly touched on, which is that, whilst the demand suggests that at some point in the past those making it had ‘had their country’, but lost it due to recent changes, that suggestion is invalidated by the way that the demand is an old and recurring one.

Nostalgia - or déjà vu?

I certainly recall it being an expression which was widely used by adults when I was growing up in the 1970s. It was a sentiment channeled by Margaret Thatcher who, as the distinguished sociologist Stuart Hall wrote: “has always spoken quite authentically on behalf of those people who felt they were left behind by permissiveness … challenged by the sexual revolution, who never wanted a libertarian society” [1].

That was most obviously connected with the then prevalent Mary Whitehouse crusade against moral decline, a backlash against the social and sexual revolutions of the 1960s, and as such may seem rather passé now. However, something similar continues to exercise the Conservative right, as shown this week (£) by Melanie Phillips’ equation of populism with social conservatism and traditional family values. That’s a view shared by the co-leaders of the New Conservatives, Tory MPs Miriam Cates and Danny Kruger, and notably all three make the foundational Brexitist claim that the vote for Brexit was an indication that their socially conservative policies have majority support. Notably, too, all three of them, plus Anderson, were amongst the speakers at last year’s London NatCon Conference.

In other words, the conservative, and sometimes Christian conservative, critique of ‘the permissive society’ is by no means an historical curio from the 1970s. Certainly there is much contemporary resonance in the way that those who Hall described (using a term familiar from Brexit, though with an accent on its cultural rather than its economic meaning) as “left behind” were as alarmed about rising crime and disorder as they were by sexual licence.

That alarm was examined, at the same kind of time, by another sociologist, Geoffrey Pearson. His analysis showed how such fears in the 1970s and 1980s typically referenced an imagined past, vaguely referred to as ‘about 20 years ago’, before things got ‘out of control’. Yet, he demonstrated, going back about 20 years to the 1950s and 1960s revealed that exactly the same fears were being expressed, and also with reference to the period ‘about 20 years ago’ or ‘since the war’, and so on back into the even more distant past [2].

I was reminded of this when Reform leader Richard Tice expanded on Anderson’s reference to wanting his country back by talking about the way things have changed “over the last 25 years or so” (I can’t find the link, unfortunately, but elsewhere he waxed lyrical about the 1980s and 90s), showing the enduring relevance of the pattern of ever-refreshed, ahistorical grievance that Geoffrey Pearson identified. Even more pertinently, Pearson showed how the sense of crime and social breakdown, and the decline of traditional British or English (and he notes the frequent slippage between the two, also evident today) virtues, both in the 1980s and in previous periods, going back to the nineteenth century, was almost invariably linked to immigration and the arrival of ‘alien’ cultures.

This is also almost invariably what lies behind contemporary demands to ‘get my country back’, with Allison Pearson writing that “our nation is being abducted by aliens” (though also, inadvertently, demonstrating the endless recurrence of these claims by opening her article with a mournful lament for England written by Philip Larkin in 1946). It is plainly what Anderson meant, as suggested by his reference to his desire being to “speak my mind” (prompting some giggles from the assembled journalists), presumably a nod towards his remarks about Sadiq Khan which led to him losing the Tory whip. That was made explicit when he went on to use his new-found freedom by airing his “concerns” about legal and illegal migration and “hate marches”, concerns which he, just like his predecessors, ran seamlessly together with those about “street crime” and “the shoplifters” who go unpunished.

It’s not just immigration which is a recurring theme. The preoccupation Anderson and his fellows have with fighting culture wars against ‘wokery’ also reprises earlier anguish about ‘political correctness gone mad’ and, in Geoffrey Pearson’s telling, the persistent 1970s complaint about “the 'softy-softy, namby-pamby pussyfooting' of the 'so-called experts’” (p.4). That latter side-swipe at experts is another point of resonance with Brexit and Brexitism, as is the reference to social liberalism, which could effectively be expressed in the present-day terms of wokery, snowflakes, and safe spaces. Conversely, it’s not hard to imagine the next line being a quote from some preposterously-named, reactionary, over-privileged, 1970s warhorse of a Tory MP calling for the workshy to be conscripted for compulsory national service. But in fact that call was made just his week (£), by the fabulously wealthy, ferociously pro-Brexit Tory MP Richard Plunkett-Ernle-Erle-Drax, formerly of the Coldstream Guards, and descendent of pioneers of the sugar and slave trade.

In short, with some minor modifications of language and emphasis, there’s really no difference between the complaints made by people like Anderson, Tice, Cates, Kruger et al. now, and those made by their predecessors at the very time, whatever the time, they want to ‘get back’ to.

When nostalgia turns vicious

It's important to notice these recurrences and continuities partly because they help to explain why the demand to ‘have our country back’ is based upon an imagination of past stability and harmony – what might be called ‘simple nostalgia’ – which means that, even if the clock could be turned back, the recovered past would not be what people think they remember. But what is even more important is that it reveals the essential dishonesty of the pretension to moderation and reasonableness. That pretension is implicit in the word ‘just’ in the phrase ‘I just want my country back’, as if it were merely a humble demand. It also figures when that word is used in a different way, namely the claim commonly made by such populists that they ‘have nothing against immigration or immigrants, it’s just that the numbers have got too big’, or that they ‘have nothing against equality, it’s just that it has gone too far now’.

Yet the fact that such suggestions are recurrent, so that even when, say, immigration levels were much lower than they have been in recent years, exactly the same disclaimers were made, shows populists to have a highly immoderate agenda, which might be called ‘vicious nostalgia’. That is, they say that it is only now that immigration is too high that they are concerned, but in fact they said the same thing when immigration was lower. So were their demands ever to be satisfied, say by enforcing a low immigration cap, they would immediately demand even more extreme restrictions, all the way down to compulsory repatriation or even worse. For once the basic premise of ‘getting our country back’ is accepted, the list of who no longer belongs, of who is not ‘us’ but ‘them’, can only get longer. This is also an illustration of Brexitism, in that it is the wider application of the way that, with Brexit, as soon as one form of it was proposed, there was a demand that only an even harder form would be ‘true Brexit’.

This does not just apply to immigration. That is but one, albeit crucial, aspect of the more fundamental issue of who are the ‘we’ or ‘us’ in all this. Even leaving aside the obvious question of whether it refers to the English or the British, it is always implicit, and often explicit, that ‘getting our country back’ means, like Brexit, expunging ‘the enemies of the people’ and the ‘saboteurs’, and the ‘wokerati’ more generally. So what happens to all these people, numerous and powerful enough to have taken ‘our country’ from us? Public recantation? Imprisonment? Re-education? Deportation? And who are to be the arbiters of what is acceptable in ‘our country’? A Star Chamber of Lee Anderson and his pals?

So in these and other ways the apparently humble, slightly self-pitying, lament that ‘I just want my country back’ leads, or at the very least points, to the darkest corridors and most degraded chambers of human history.

Inverted snobbery

This mock-humility finds another kind of expression, superficially benign but deeply malign, which again was illustrated by Anderson’s explanation of his defection - all this in a statement which lasted just under two minutes! Rehearsing his trademark ‘prolier than thou’ schtick, he simpered that “I might not know some of these long words that people use in parliament”.

At one level, it was a horrible, Uriah Heep-ish, attempt to ingratiate himself – horrible not least for trading on precisely the stereotype of the northern working class which populists like Anderson ascribe to ‘the sneering remoaner elite’. At another level, it was self-evidently an example of the passive-aggressive inverted snobbery which some Brexiters have made their own. For it’s quite obvious that Anderson is not inarticulate, and doesn’t regard himself as such, but wants to use the idea that he is as a way of depicting himself as a plucky, plain-speaking underdog, standing up against effete privilege. It evidently struck Cambridge graduate Allison Pearson that way, as she breathlessly recounted how he had spoken in his “no-nonsense, Nottinghamshire miner’s style”, for all the world like Constance Chatterley meeting Oliver Mellors for the first time.

Again this is worth commenting on because it has a much wider currency and significance than Anderson himself. It is a recurring conceit amongst Brexiters, on both the right and the left, that their opponents are cushioned, self-indulgent, and privileged. Examples include representing ‘remainers’ as only concerned to keep their cheap EU nannies or plumbers, or to preserve the ease with which they can take foreign holidays or own holiday homes. It was evident recently in some responses to the report that the introduction of import controls has, predictably, led to shortages of artisanal delicatessen products, responses which were reminiscent of the comment in Gill’s essay about the desire to go “back to gooseberries, not avocados”.

It’s cartoonish at multiple levels, as if working-class people never go abroad, never employ childminders or plumbers, and subsist solely on bread-and-dripping and pints of wallop. But it serves an important purpose, which is to ignore the significant levels of support for leaving the EU amongst affluent middle-class southerners as well as the significant support for remaining in the EU across the UK, but especially in Scotland and Northern Ireland, amongst poor and working-class people.

Indeed part of its dishonesty is not to differentiate between ‘poor’ and ‘working class’ at all, even though the notion of the Red Wall was originally bound up with Labour-held constituencies where there were large numbers of people with characteristics of home ownership and small-business ownership which associated with voting Tory in other parts of the country. It was these older, probably leave-voting, working class but relatively affluent voters who were central to turning the Red Wall blue in the 2019 election. They may not be rich, but they are not living precariously on the very fringes of society, unacquainted with avocados and confining their holidays to Bridlington. Ignoring this is again part of a rhetorical strategy to depict Brexit – and the more extensive agenda of Brexitism – as being the people’s crusade against the elite.

So just as ‘I want my country back’ codes a vicious agenda of exclusion, Anderson’s ‘man of the people’ act, and similar efforts by Farage and others, mobilize inverted snobbery in pursuit of that agenda.  

Who are the baddies?

We can obviously expect the Brexitists to go on mining this seam, and it will be much easier to do so in opposition than in government. That’s because, as with Brexit itself, it can’t translate its promises into deliverable policy. This is one of the reasons why Sunak’s government is in such a mess, as it constantly tries to assuage the unassuageable demands of the Brexitists within the party and the electorate, whilst maintaining at least a semblance of rationality and competence. Hence Sunak’s periodic forays into populism, such as last year’s embrace of the ’15 minute city’ conspiracy theory, which go nowhere in policy terms.

More recently, and to the present point, his strange, impromptu speech condemning extremism was evidently designed to speak to current concerns - about the safety of MPs, rising Islamophobic and antisemitic attacks, public disorder and ‘no go zones’ - some of which are genuine, but others exaggerated or deployed opportunistically by Brexitists. Indeed it spoke to precisely the issues and events which were the proximate cause of Anderson’s demise as a Tory MP, and promised “a new robust framework” to deal with extremism (the first step, it later emerged, being to get Michael Gove to define it).

This may have been intended to placate Brexitists, perhaps even to promise them that they were about to get their country back! Yet, far from being satisfied, they were infuriated because Sunak included far-right extremism in his condemnation. Yet he could hardly do otherwise without losing all credibility as a mainstream politician, given the widespread evidence of such extremism, including, for example, the fact that last year saw the highest ever number of those in prison for far-right terror offences.

So, suddenly, the Brexitists began to be concerned that the “robust framework” this speech was going to lead to might include them, with, most prominently, Miriam Cates fearing that “attempting to define such nebulous terms as ‘extremism’ and ‘British values’ will have a further chilling effect on those with lawful, conservative views”. Quite what existing ‘chilling effect’ there is on expressing ‘lawful, conservative views’ was not clear when Cates wrote those words, and has become even less so since, given Sunak’s equanimity about holding on to Frank Hester’s money, despite his remarks about Diane Abbott.

At all events, the Brexitists needn’t worry about facing their ‘are we the baddies?’ moment because, ironically, what is almost certainly going to unfold is a textbook illustration of why populism can’t give rise to workable policy. After all, it’s not as if we haven’t been round this loop before, sometimes even with Gove flying the plane, in the fruitless quest for a definition of British values which isn’t either so narrow as to exclude everything except Morris dancing and eating baked beans or so broad as to include everything but satanic rituals and cannibalism.  As it turned out, although he did produce a new definition of extremism yesterday, Gove seems to have avoided re-opening the issue of ‘British values’ directly. Perhaps he felt, as my father did when faced with the task of telling me ‘the facts of life’, that it was better to leave the details only vaguely hinted at (so that at the time, and for some years afterwards, I thought he had been explaining the basic skills I would need if I wanted to pursue a career in plumbing).

What will happen with Gove’s definition, which has already predictably been criticised for going too far and for not going far enough, remains to be seen. I suspect that in practical terms it will amount to nothing and will soon be forgotten. But what Cates’ initial reaction inadvertently demonstrated was the essential fatuity of the central Brexitist ideas of ‘the people’, ‘the will of the people’, and, with that, of their outgrowth in the slogan ‘I want my country back’. For all of these things falter on the same rock as attempting to define British values. There simply is no single ‘people’, with a single ‘will’, and a single set of values, and nor is there a single ‘country’ that belongs as of right to one segment of it. There’s almost certainly not even any agreement within the segment which ‘wants their country back’ about what that actually means, just as there was no agreement amongst those who wanted Brexit about what that meant.

A joke

The fundamental problem in all this is that attempts to define extremism in what is still a liberal democracy inevitably rely on some notion of the tolerance of diversity of beliefs, lifestyles, speech and so on. But, at the same time, the underlying implication of the desire to ‘have our country back’ is the politics of vicious exclusion which is at odds with such tolerance and, itself, a form of extremism. Of course liberal democracies can, should, and do have laws prohibiting many kinds of extremist behaviour, from terrorism to hate speech, as the UK does. Yet, evidently, that is not enough for Anderson and the millions who agree with him.

However, although what is, again, still a liberal democracy isn’t going to give those people what they want, most politicians, and certainly Sunak, continue to pander to them. That is a doomed enterprise, since they remain aggrieved, and it is unsatisfactory for everyone else because it constantly gets in the way of useful, productive and effective politics. It is the political equivalent of indulging a childish tantrum and, again, Brexit provides the template.

Perhaps the best response whenever someone shrieks ‘I want my country back’ would be to say: ‘Well you can’t. You’ve been given Brexit, and that’s more than enough. So suck it up’. It’s true that such treatment would provoke screaming populist rage about the insufferable arrogance of the liberal elite, but that reminds me of one of my favourite jokes, in which a man goes to the doctor, who prescribes a medicine but warns that its side-effects are depression, weight gain, impotence and hair loss. The patient replies that he already has the side-effects, so he might as well start taking the medicine.

 

References

[1] Quoted in Philip Whitehead, The Writing on the Wall. Britain in the 1970s. London: Michael Joseph, 1985.

[2] Geoffrey Pearson, Hooligan. A History of Respectable Fears. London: Macmillan, 1983.

79 comments:

  1. I wonder how David Cameron feels about Anderson defecting to the Reform party since he inflicted Brexit on us simply to save the Tory party from defections to UKIP. It's as Chris has pointed out many times in this blog - however much you pander to the right wing it's never enough.

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    1. David Cameron has feelings?

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  2. I always look forward to Fridays because of your brilliant pieces, but this one is an absolute blinder! Never mind that you drove the nail out of sight, it was also the funniest I’ve read. Thank you so much for your writing and the thought and hard work which goes into every one of your pieces.

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    1. Thanks, Bill, that's really kind

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    2. Mark Ballantyne15 March 2024 at 19:33

      And I thank Bill as well, and second his comment. Chris Grey brings Montaigne to mind: disabused, regretting the wars of religion without end, yet giving hope for a more enlightened future.

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    3. Brilliant as always, but this one was darker and more disturbing for the future than I remember others being; or maybe I haven't thought through some of the implications before...

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    4. Absolutely brilliant article indeed. As an Immigrant and post 2016 I am always prepared for a bit of nostalgia grind when I meet this mindset, what is fairly common in the so called red wall where I live. My prepared answer to the ever common 'what made you come here' question always confuses the lot. I try to avoid the type really.

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  3. I would like my country back - as it was before Brexit :-/

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    1. All we need to do is lie low until 2036 and then join in with the chimes of the brexiters and say I want my country back like it was before this brexit nonsense. It will probably resonate with the very people that the brexiters are now hoping to resonate with.

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  4. An absolute blinder measured against a very high bar set previously - well said!

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  5. A very thoughtful article Chris. I will send it to my brexitist brother. Thank you.

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  6. Somewhere I read, maybe in one of your pieces, (which I look forward to every Friday), that what we really like about the country as it was 25 years ago is that we were young in it. Those suffering from nostalgia need to be regularly reminded of this fact.

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    1. This is true, hence the continuing theme amongst the human race. Always remember nostalgia ain't what it used to be

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    2. It seems to me that the Britain we knew in our late teens and early twenties is the one we might want to go back to, whatever age we are now. But the Seventies Britain that I might call home would give Reform apoplexy.

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  7. A golden nugget this week in an already rich mine of informative material. Those who shout ''I want my country back'' really need to be asked who took it from them. Perhaps if they were more honest they would say ''I cannot cope with change". But then, that would open up a whole slew of questions for them to answer.

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  8. "Childish tantrum" sums up Brexitism. Far from traditional moderate conservate values, they seem like spoilt brats demanding instant gratification - and barely a week goes by without some new madcap scheme. We had the attack on LTNs and 20mph zones - overriding local democracy and sensible traditional law and order - presumably so they can race home for a few extra minutes of Celebrity Bake Off or Love Island. Now, we are apparently negotiating a trade deal with pariah state and Putin associate, Turkey.
    No wonder the Blue Wall have had enough.

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  9. Are we are seeing the Large Brexit Collider in operation? It certainly seems to be smashing the Tory party apart.

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  10. So it’s just racists. But let’s be mindful that malign foreign state actors seek to amplify the voices of racists and other divisive blowhards within democratic societies. We therefore must work twice as hard to address the underlying sources of rage in this country whether from poverty, lack of opportunity and education, or from fake news, which currently is subject to video realistic wholly artificial AI generated footage, mislabelled past footage (Syrian footage reposted as being from Gaza etc), and plain lies (French troops are on their way to Romania). The slow and steady subversion of the Conservative Party by the forces of UKIP must be seen in this context.

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    1. The continuing destabilisation of the Royal Family narrative, with recent events suggestion that KP has resorted to deep fake photo-manipulation, is another worrying development. It may be fashionable for liberals to trivialise devotion to the monarchy, but this is another reasons for voters to reject thoughtful, nuanced democracy on the grounds that no-one in power can be trusted to tell the truth

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  11. If the Tory party shifts further to the right and brings back toxic characters like Faragev & freaks, you can prepare for a huge alienated moderate base that will move towards other political options, which means, the conservatives will not touch power again for at least a couple of decades.

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  12. I agree with Bill 100 per cent. Brilliant article! Greg

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  13. It's interesting that UKIP used the same slogan back in 2005 - and the National Front's "It's Our Country Let's Win It Back" in 1979 is eerily similar. They also used the slogan "Make Britain Great Again" incidentally, in the 1975 EEC membership referendum. Whoever thought they were so far ahead of their time? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UK_political_slogans

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    1. Well, the point is that it is a recurring trope on the right (mainly, though not exclusively). In a way, the Tory slogan 'are you thinking what we're thinking?' in 2005 was a related version

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  14. Very good read, as you know it’s the same here in the US. I’m reminded of Ian Hunter’s songs, Bow Street Runners, about the formation of London’s first official police force, crime wasn’t about immigrants.

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  15. The answer should be:
    Back from where, It's your country and your colonial past that you are living in, how far back do you want to go?

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    1. Excellent point. When the question is framed as ‘What decade do you want to go back to (tick one option)’ it suddenly sounds very unappealing.

      1990s
      1980s
      1970s
      1960s
      1950s
      Before 1950

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  16. Anderson, excited at meeting members of Reform, exclaimed "Happy Mothers Day".
    It was not Mothers Day so his comment was met with disdain.
    But perhaps the audience had misunderstood.

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  17. I am reminded of a (reported)motion submitted to a Tory conference some years ago calling for government to restore the situation in which a virgin accompanied by a chld and carrying a bag of gold could walk the length of the country unmolested.
    There were of course cynics who asked whose child she had abducted ...

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  18. The core of what you describe in your excellent piece is nostalgia, and I don't think it's any coincidence that the timeframe is always '20 years or so' That would be about right for reaching middle-age, realising that your dreams are not going to come true, and constructing a rose-tinted memory of the flush of youth when you could feel that the world was made for you and people like you, and was going to give you exactly what you wanted.

    You mentioned your father, and this all reminds me of something my own father, a literary scholar, once told me about that other great nostalgia: "The true Spirit of Christmas has been lost, and it's all just commercial now". That one has been recurring all my life, and you can find it anywhere you like as far back as the time of Dickens. But my father came home from the library one day very pleased, because he had just found the same complaint in some material published in 1610! And no doubt they'd been griping about it for centuries before that.

    They say "Nostalgia ain't what it used to be." But of course, it is.

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  19. The core of what you describe in your excellent piece is nostalgia, and I don't think it's any coincidence that the timeframe is always '20 years or so' That would be about right for reaching middle-age, realising that your dreams are not going to come true, and constructing a rose-tinted memory of the flush of youth when you could feel that the world was made for you and people like you, and was going to give you everything what you wanted.

    You mentioned your father, and this all reminds me of something my own father, a literary scholar, once told me about that other great recurring nostalgia: "The true Spirit of Christmas has been lost, and it's all just commercial now". That one has been bubbling-up all my life, and you can find it anywhere you like as far back as the time of Dickens. But my father came home from the library one day very pleased, because he had just found the same complaint in some material published in 1610! And no doubt they'd been griping about it for centuries before that.

    They say "Nostalgia ain't what it used to be." But of course, it is.

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  20. I cofess to feeling nostalgia for the UK of the single market and the summer of 2012. But I wouldn't use that as the basis for a political movement. We have quite enough on our plate in the present and the near future.

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  21. And here was me thinking that it was the EU wot stole their country from true Brits. So who has stolen it now? The Islamists? The over privileged elite can only be denied their rightful place in power by some awful other who must by definition be anti-British.

    Fears that society is out of control and increasingly permissive is as much a generational and class thing as an historical phenomenon. When people say that the rot set in 20 years ago, they mean when they were young, which means it's a forever moveable feast among succeeding generations. Of course it just means they were sheltered and naïve when they were young. Turning back the clock to when nanny knew best is an atavistic and primal need for emotional security. It can only be be outgrown by emotional maturity, but that is the very last thing a populist needs. It would destroy their grievance complex.

    However, at least it is easy to define what an extremist is. It is people "not like us".

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    1. It has ever been thus; Betjeman's poems from the 1950s and '60s bemoan the arrival of the motor-car and plate-glass shopfronts, closures of branch lines, pylons marching across landscapes etc etc etc. What to 'binmanists' is a golden age, he scorned; Betjeman's golden age was the Edwardian era of his childhood.

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  22. I entered a comment on another forum quoting Anderson’s “I want my country back” and asking: back from whom? Who has it now? How did they get it?
    I got no answers from those who might agree with such comments, just abuse for being “woke” and downvotes. None of them it seemed could actually explain the meaning in concrete terms.
    But then of course it is not supposed to be answered: it is just an expression of dissatisfaction, that everything isn’t as “they” would ideally want, even when they can’t articulate what that would be

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    1. Your mistake was to ask sensible questions.

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  23. Great piece, as ever, and it shows (as you’ve said) multiple times how Brexit is a moving target - it is about everything and nothing, with demands that can never be met. It isn’t actually about immigration, or (an absurd) freedom, or anything else: it is mostly a general sentiment with no fixed target.

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  24. Hugely insightful analysis. It’s a piece that acutely and wittily demonstrates that language, rhetoric and demagoguery are at the heart of brexitism. Thanks!

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  25. The same people in France are the bread and butter of Marine Le Pen. To plagiarize A.A. Gill, they miss Sheila, the Anciens Francs, Louis de Funes, the Soupe aux Choux and the Dauphine (if not the Traction Avant) and freak out when Aya Nakamura is selected to sing at the Paris Olympics. I think the rate of speed of civilization has accelerated and more people can't catch up. Also, thanks to the smartphones, village idiots can now speak to each other.

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  26. CS Lewis wrote a book called "The Screwtape Letters", which is a series of instructions from an older devil to a younger one about how to tempt humans into sin. I'm not at all religious, but you don't have to be to find it witty and insightful. One of the topics in the book is a kind of inverted gluttony, where Screwtape describes a fussy relative who has come to stay and instead of just getting what they're given, keeps making demands like "All I want is a lightly boiled egg and some lightly-browned toast", which of course is not that easy to get right. Lewis calls this "All-I-wantism", and I was reminded of this reading about this idea of "I just want..." It's the same thing - passive-aggressive selfishness masquerading as humility and modesty.

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  27. It has been such a dire week in politics (when is not I ask) so a big thank you for making me laugh outloud at this :

    "Perhaps he felt, as my father did when faced with the task of telling me ‘the facts of life’, that it was better to leave the details only vaguely hinted at (so that at the time, and for some years afterwards, I thought he had been explaining the basic skills I would need if I wanted to pursue a career in plumbing)." Brilliant!

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  28. Brilliant and very trenchant overview of a major and very dark motivation behind Brexit.
    It’s so true and I have an example.
    I have a cousin in the Tory “Shires” who is a lawyer with a very senior role in her county administration. She is an ardent Brexiter and told me she voted for Brexit because ‘she wanted an English GP’
    I was puzzled at this reason but her husband clarified that their local GP practice is now staffed by non-white doctors (who while brown skinned are in fact all UK trained) but she no wants a lily white ‘English’ person.
    I used to talk regularly with them both on the phone but after hearing that I simply cannot anymore.

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    1. The fallacy that if you are English it were better you were treated by an English GP was highlighted by Dr Johnson declaring "He who drives fat oxen should himself be fat!" The human body has no nationality and medicine is medicine, is it not so?

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  29. I would actually like my country forward please. Forward as in tomorrow being better than today; forward to greater tolerance and cooperation; forward to being more educated and civilised able to debate not drown out; forward to a government that truly tries to govern for the perceived country’s betterment rather than narrow self serving ideology. You get the picture. And I agree that Friday morning is worth looking forward to for this blog.

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  30. Excellent article as usual. Interestingly, my mother said she wanted to get her country back so we discussed it further. Mum, then in her 90’s, wanted to go back how things were in the 1950’s and 60’s. So, after a lengthy discussion she agreed with me that I didn’t want to be a second class subject - a woman!
    I also note that, living in France, many things can no longer be exported to France as they could before 2020, or, the cost is now extremely expensive. So, that’s lost business due to brexit - ops I should have said due to ineffective management nothing to do with brexit.

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  31. My "response whenever someone shrieks ‘I want my country back’" is to say: "it's not YOUR f***ing country, mate - and keep your sticky fingers off mine."

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  32. To me the scariest thing about the "I want my country back" movement is that the Hon. Mr K. Starmer, whom I very much want to win the next GE, seems to think (probably correctly) that he needs to appeal to a significant share of it in order to win the election. If this is so he is likely to end up in the same mess as The Rt. Hon. R. Sunak. Which thought makes me shudder.

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    1. "the Hon. Mr K. Starmer, whom I very much want to win the next GE"

      How long have you been a neo-liberal millionaire who admires people with no morals?

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  33. When people say they want their country back it is nothing but nostalgia of their younger years when they were nice and likeable. Who wouldn't want to be back a few decades and be young again?

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  34. I also want my country back....from the Anglo-Saxons (not to mention the Normans). Bl**dy boat people!

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  35. I'm sympathetic to attempts to define extremism. But after jan6, 2021, I don't see how it could not include support for Donald Trump, which seems to be quite widespread in the Tory Party.

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  36. The truth is that the Brexit vote was greatly motivated by racism and bigotry. The real outcome is a considerable influx of people from Nigeria, Zimbabwe, Phillipines, India, etc to work mostly in the health and care sectors. These are substituting for the Polish, Spanish, Italian, Greek etc who have upped sticks and left given the post-Brexit unpleasantries. For many years I have watched these as nurses, dentists, pharmacists etc taking lodgings with me as I am near a hospital. The current difference is that the new ones are mostly bringing their entire families over as soon as they can (and believe me, in practice they always find a way), whereas that was less common with the previous wave. I predict they won't go home, but will settle. I also predict that sadly the racism and bigotry will fester and become worse.

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    1. "The truth is that the Brexit vote was greatly motivated by racism and bigotry."

      This is the kind of nonsense spouted by people who, if they actually met the working class they think they revere, would likely projectile vomit.

      There is a huge difference between feeling that your social history is being expunged and being a racist or a bigot, especially as you likely mis-spent your youth with the children of Windrushers and Kenyan Asians.

      You also conveniently ignore (perhaps because you don't know any to ask?) the huge numbers of people from immigrant backgrounds who voted Leave because the LabCon Duopoly purposely ignored EU rules on Freedom of Movement, and it was those people - already at the bottom of the heap when it came to jobs and opportunities - who bore the brunt of non and semi-skilled jobs being made even scarcer.

      Brexit and Immigration are joined at the hip and always have been, but the reasons are far more nuanced and - dare I say it - intelligent than "If you voted Leave, you're a racist."

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    2. I don't understand the idea of somebody's social history being expunged. How could it be? What would that even mean?

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    3. I agree with your view, but you really could have expressed it better. I was a bit surprised that it passed moderation.

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  37. Martin Waddington16 March 2024 at 17:42

    Marvellous piece, Professor Grey, thank you!
    I, too, always admired A.A.Gill's pre-referendum piece from 2016, which is always worth revisiting.

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  38. I do apologize if links are not allowed. Please do not publish this if it causes you any problem whatsoever.
    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1768020490830905522.html
    Much in the same vein as your excellent (as always) post.

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  39. Oh, very good. For some months now we've thought you are too wordy, to erudite, too repetitive, should just stop. And then you produce the goods and I for one, who've always said 'it's and archive of our misery', say now - please keep on going, it's brilliant, Fridays aren't the same without your confirmation of how these idiot Brexit people are dragging our country down. Thank you Chris Grey.

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    1. A double-edged compliment, it has to be said - but thanks anyway, I think.

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  40. I love the casting of Lee Anderson and Allison Pearson in Lady Chatterly's Lover. That's perfect.

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  41. The best and certainly the funniest yet. Bravo.

    The people who'll be getting their country back as result of Brexit are the Irish for sure, the Scots quite likely, and the Welsh may have whatever they're having.

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  42. The idea of everything being better in the past isn't new: "The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers"...attributed to Socrates. A German pop band satirized it very nicely in their song "Früher war alles besser".

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    1. Search "Saltatio Mortis - Früher war alles Besser" for those that want to find it on YooToob

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  43. Love the way that Gill column slides frictionlessly away from English chauvinism to European chauvinism (assume consciously, very funny).

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  44. Great stuff! I particularly like how you seem to have created a template for a new genre: "Brexit Porn," with Anderson and Pearson starring in a gritty, red wall drama.

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  45. Chris...you unceasingly manage to articulate what many of us think, yet cannot quite express. I thought also of the childish nature of the Lee's protestation, that it serves its purpose by not being defined, that once received creates only temporary respite but that it provides the disempowered with a sense of control and contribuition in approving of, and allowing him to have back, whatever it is that he craves.

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  46. On a recent trip to Kent I was noting the large number of castles. I’d always assumed these were to protect England against invaders from continental Europe. Then I found of course that actually many were built by the Norman French to subjugate the local Anglo Saxon population. They were not instruments of defence but of occupation and control. Do Brexit voters want their country back from the Norman French, I wonder? It hasn’t even been 1000 years and people can hold grudges for a long time.

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  47. The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics states that entropy increases over time - i.e. that order will give way to disorder.

    If this also applies to the world in general, governments will tend to break down, peace gives way to wars, and we always look back the more orderly 'good old days'?

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    1. Except that the second law of Thermodynamics states that entropy *of a closed system* increases over time. The Earth isn't a closed system, there's a HUGE influx of energy from the sun. So increasing disorder on Earth isn't inevitable.

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    2. This is a misrepresentation of the 2nd law. It states that in a closed system average entropy (i.e. disorder) increases over time. Crystal formation (e.g snowflakes), embryology, and biologically evolution are empirical examples of decreases in local entropy. Since governments and polities are an outgrowth of human psychology, and hence human biology, itself a facet of the general biology of the Earth's ecosystems - and since the Earth is not a closed system - your conclusion does not hold.

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    3. Masterful example of how people can disagree, even on the fundamentals of physics, without verbal fisticuffs. All hail the academic stiletto.

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  48. Masterful work by Chris Grey. I am mostly English but moved to Scotland for family reasons. It's like Run up to Brexit all over again. Its disturbing to see how powerful, and relentless is the anti Indy. The same vile so called newspapers and social media presence are really really going full out and hitting the SNP really hard with populist right wing vitriol and just plain old misinformation and distortion. It's having an effect no doubt. It's clear there is a lot of money thrown at this. The same old stuff inc Trump promotion and above gets traction from the most unlikely peopleYoung died in the wool previously lefty now spouting the mantra of MAGA and Reform. To me Scary.

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  49. You cannot separate Brexit from immigration, because what people wanted was not a referendum on EU Membership, but a referendum on stopping immigration.

    Blair and Brown's Labour - like the good neo-liberals they are - saw never ending population as the easy route to an "economic miracle" - if you can call a GDP boost on the back of taxpayers routing money to privatised utilities via benefits an economic miracle. Culpability Brown did.

    The one "mainstream" party that saw the writing on the wall were the LibDems during the "I agree with Nick" election, where they pointed out that the UK had never run Freedom of Movement as it was supposed to be run, and were going to go after bods like the Gangmasters who were importing East European labour, paying peanuts (if at all) and the taxpayers were (again) picking u the tab, this time to pay for free healthcare and council homes - which us bods going "the other way" never got a sniff at - because EU Rules state clearly you must fend for yourself and any dependents, or jolly well bugger off home.

    Tice (spit) is absolutely right: the country has gone to the dogs over the past 25 years, thanks to the neo-liberal Establishment Duopoly of Labour and the Conservatives.
    The Duopoly made sure that one way or another, the LibDems were not going to be allowed to change anything, least of all the voting system that keeps the Duopoly in power, first by Labour shoving the LibDems under the Tory bus rather than forming a coalition they were offered (yes, they were, please don't bother with your revisionist replies) because it would have meant Labour backing PR in the referendum that was the LD's price for partnership, and then by Labour leading the campaign against AV during the referendum.

    So Tice is correct - as stopped clocks sometimes are - we are where we are because of 26 years of the LabCon Duopoly shafting our country, and Labour shafting it's members out of PR Electoral Reform which the majority of them support..
    The sad thing is, the genie isn't going back in the bottle without the kind changes that decent folks would blanche at.

    With luck though, and plenty of tactical voting, with the Blue Tories busy snuffing themselves out, the Red Tories - the only hope for the Brexit loving Establishment to keep a grip on power - can be forced into a narrow win, which will allow Plaid, the SNP and the LibDems to strangle PR out of Starmer in return for staying in Number 10.
    If that happens, Brexit might almost have been worth it after all... although it's hard not to imagine that a referendum on immigration would have been easier.

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    1. If you imagine that a referendum on immigration would be easy, what do you imagine the wording of the question would be?

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    2. The idea that the LibDems actually want to change anything is belied by the fact that the one time they had the power to tip the balance, they not only sided with the status quo but with the Tories specifically, in 2010. They specifically ran on a platform of “we don’t want right-wing policy” and then, when they had the power to determine who to side with (and put in control of the government) they chose the Tories, who actually had won significantly fewer seats than Labour. The Brexit referendum would almost certainly not even have been possible in the first place without the LibDems betraying their own voters to prop up the Tories.

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  50. To cite Douglas Adams, talking about the tech cycle: Anything that is in the world when you’re born is normal and ordinary and is just a natural part of the way the world works. Anything that’s invented between when you’re fifteen and thirty-five is new and exciting and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it. Anything invented after you’re thirty-five is against the natural order of things.

    I find that's a pretty accurate summation of the nostalgia argument.

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  51. Hi Chris. Catching up on your blog after a month or so of not reading it. This "I want my country back" theme reminded me of Laurie Penny's article in "New Statesmen" the day after that disastrous day in 2016. The crux is the one sentence paragraph "But the thing is – I want my country back too", the paragraph after that, and then the penultimate paragraph beginning: "This Britain is not my Britain. I want my country back. I want my scrappy, tolerant, forward-thinking, creative country, the country of David Bowie, not Paul Daniels; the country of Sadiq Khan, not Boris Johnson ... the country not of Nigel Farage, but Jo Cox." The article resonated with me so much that I tore it out and have saved it in a binder these eight long, tragic years. Well worth a read, or re-read:

    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2016/06/i-want-my-country-back

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    1. Thanks, Frank, I don't think I ever read that. But oddly enough (or maybe not, it must have been a common feeling), on the day after, on another blog, I wrote "As the Brexiters crow of having ‘got their country back’, I feel that I have lost my home and now live in exile."

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  52. This article by Laurie Penny in "New Statesman" on the "I want my country back" theme is well worth a read or re-read:

    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2016/06/i-want-my-country-back

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